(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by wbradley

2nd Gen twins, hybrid in 2021.

hmmm.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

hmmm.

The tuner market for the engine will be mostly gone then, most likely. In Japan, they'll probably put turbo and superchargers on hybrids, but not here. "Here", being anywhere outside of Japan.

I ordered my GR86 with a 1.8T.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Doesn't anyone feel a stir for Lucy Lawless?

The company I used to work for had a sales agent in NZ who also happened to play the blacksmith on Zena.

The funny thing is that she is quite flat chested. Modern technology.

She is in "Ash vs. Evil Dead" and is still hot at 50.

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Interesting when you see a post on the thread about the second gen, click on it and find this.

Well OK then...

This is more interesting.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I see that you joined the forum in April 2019.

FYI - the off topic history here is off the scale.

Back on topic.

What was the topic?


Oh yeah, 2nd Gen twins, possibly the only non-hybrid in Toyota's 2021 line.

It was literally at the top of the page as I clicked on it on my iPad. So yeah I knew I didn’t have the context or I stumbled on some sort of Red Tube forum and a different set of “twins” were being discussed. I got a laugh out of it so all good, carry on...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I see that you joined the forum in April 2019.

FYI - the off topic history here is off the scale.

Back on topic.

What was the topic?


Oh yeah, 2nd Gen twins, possibly the only non-hybrid in Toyota's 2021 line.

Ya really. I am still waiting for three more people to post a new rehash of the Nextcar bit as news so I can hit my predicted twelve!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

hmmm.

Yes that is the sound the next generation is probably going to make.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not sure why Toyota needs the Supra to survive. If the Supra (and the 86) were cancelled tomorrow, it would have very little impact to their bottom line.

I meant they need the 2L Supra to survive to keep the Supra alive, not that they need it to stay afloat as a company.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Neither has eluded to anything beyond "we are teaming up again". There is zero other info from them. Not one word.
The rumour that they were going to the Toyota platform originated in an article from Next car which now says the total opposite.
They don't need any Supra to survive. They don't make squat on them. They need several million Corollas, Camrys and Rav4s not a limited run version of a limited run halo car.

I read something from Subaru that no current Subaru platform is well suited to a RWD car, but they could just keep using the existing FRS/BRZ platform instead of moving to anything new. Can't find the article again though.



See comment above about the 2L Supra.

Originally Posted by weederr33

They can always market the Supra as a more luxurious 86. After all, isn't that what the G37 was? Just a luxurious 370z. Some people want comfort and sportiness. Enough people complain about the cheapness and road noise from the twins as it is.

That's Infiniti vs Nissan, with the G37 being a softer comfier version (plus it had rear seats when the G37 didn't). The Supra isn't soft, doesn't have rear seats, etc. A relevant comparison would be Lexus selling a softer Supra with a rear seat.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wparsons

I read something from Subaru that no current Subaru platform is well suited to a RWD car, but they could just keep using the existing FRS/BRZ platform instead of moving to anything new. Can't find the article again though.

So think that through.
Subaru was able to make a new bespoke platform based upon the old Legacy for the current cars.
Their current global platform is to be used for everything from the Impreza to the Ascent. It is even planned, by official Subaru press release, to be used in a new EV. Yet somehow they were baffled in how to make it RWD? The Toyota global platform which is predominantly FWD is somehow easier to adapt?
I don't buy it for a second. It isn't even a reasonable thought unless somebody has no idea how a global platform works and thinks that it equals a fixed chassis in some way.
The article shouldn't be hard to find since it was one of the ones that Bestcar came out with a while back and then every other clickbait jumped on board with it. Everything that they claimed they knew in that articule they have said the complete opposite in their latest (the one floating around now).
When one clickbait releases their fiction as news then the rest keep quoting it and it appears to be real when all it really is a is a huge game of telephone. They get clicks and make money though so they don't care if accurate or even real.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Let's assume for argument's sake that nothing was wrong with our economy (lol) before COVID, But COVID broke the rickety scaffolding supporting the economy. Not Wall Street, the real economy. A 20-25% unemployment rate will take years to recover from. Most employers that reduced their workforce will find that they can operate fine without hiring all those positions back. This will take YEARS to bounce back from.

In some industries yes.. but a lot of unemployment came from service industries where businesses were shut down almost entirely.

Those businesses, even reopening at 50%, will hire back at least 50% of their staff. Those businesses don't run fat on staff normally (well successful ones anyways) so if they return to 50% business they can't operate with less than ~50% of that staff.

Will unemployment reach the SAME level anytime soon? Of course not, but the MAJORITY of it will bounce back fairly quickly.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Their current global platform is to be used for everything from the Impreza to the Ascent. It is even planned, by official Subaru press release, to be used in a new EV. Yet somehow they were baffled in how to make it RWD? The Toyota global platform which is predominantly FWD is somehow easier to adapt?

I would imagine the issue lies with the longitudinal engine layout for a RWD. The limitations of the engine position in the Twins should highlight the problem (with regard to the steering rack interfering with the engine, forcing it to be more forward than would have been ideal - there are a good 4 inches of space between the engine/trans and the firewall). A transverse AWD layout doesn't automatically mean easy longitudinal RWD conversion (although it would definitely be easier than a transverse FWD platform, as proven by the Twins).

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The Toyota global platform which is predominantly FWD is somehow easier to adapt?

Well, the TNGA does support both transverse and longitudinal engines, so yes, that would make more sense (despite the longitudinal support being only for the larger versions of it).

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I would imagine the issue lies with the longitudinal engine layout for a RWD. The limitations of the engine position in the Twins should highlight the problem (with regard to the steering rack interfering with the engine, forcing it to be more forward than would have been ideal - there are a good 4 inches of space between the engine/trans and the firewall). A transverse AWD layout doesn't automatically mean easy longitudinal RWD conversion (although it would definitely be easier than a transverse FWD platform, as proven by the Twins).



Well, the TNGA does support both transverse and longitudinal engines, so yes, that would make more sense (despite the longitudinal support being only for the larger versions of it).

A minor tweek to a global platform.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Well, the TNGA does support both transverse and longitudinal engines, so yes, that would make more sense (despite the longitudinal support being only for the larger versions of it).

Unless something really unexpected happens.. just stop talking about the TNGA platform. It makes so much less sense for Subaru to build these 2nd gen cars, if they even get made, on TNGA than it does their own platform.

Toyota isn't going to start building them, they are too busy with boring shit they roll out of their factories to bother with the 86.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Most likely coincides with the autoshows that are usually held around the time of the unvieling.

Sienna/Venza could have likely been unveiled during the New York Autoshow (April)
gen2 86 could be North American International Autoshow (Jan) or any of them around that time.

Not that it's important.. but NAIAS happens in June now. Or will next year since 2020 was cancelled awhile ago. They wanted to expand to include more driving events and were smart enough to realize that they shouldn't do arrive and drive stuff in downtown Detoilet in January.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Unless something really unexpected happens.. just stop talking about the TNGA platform. It makes so much less sense for Subaru to build these 2nd gen cars, if they even get made, on TNGA than it does their own platform.

Toyota isn't going to start building them, they are too busy with boring shit they roll out of their factories to bother with the 86.

Nobody wants a two door Corolla hybrid anyway!