Please explain Lane Departure Warning to me

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I can neither conform nor deny that I've done the same.

Stand your ground.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My latest pet peeve. Whenever possible, I stop and watch them run into me. It's right up there with the gaggles of oncoming people that take up the whole hallway or sidewalk. I swear that it's deliberate passive aggression. People are assholes.

People's walking habits devolve even further when in an airport.

[Captain Snooze]

I have watched a couple of "mobile phone fail" clips on YouTube (yeah, call me a a voyeur) and some of these people are getting killed. It's not just a case of walking into a street pole and getting a bump on their head, it's people crossing major roads and getting bounced off a truck doing 80 or so km/h.

I find it it kind of interesting.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

People's walking habits devolve even further when in an airport.

Pfft, that's nothing. Try the world's busiest Costco at PDX (aka the United Nations) where people fly in from other countries to stock up on tax free goodies. They're armed with large carts and observe the same traffic rules as Beijing, not to mention jumping to the head of the food sample line, my turf, where civility goes out the window.

No opportunity for bumpin' babes, but I've become engaged in conversation with attractive women when looking at jewelry I'd never buy but am sometimes approached when admiring certain items. It must be my native charm...

https://www.costco.com/emerald-cut-4...100351502.html

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

People can't walk these days either. I went to a busy mall over the weekend to pick up a gift I couldn't get online and was walked into 5 times in less than two hours because people were on their phones.

On the bright side, two of them were worth being walked into....

Hmm, might be fun once but being walked into by "someone" interesting on average once per hour is about an hour longer than my ability to tolerate being in a mall.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Or instead of spending billions on pushing new technology onto consumers we could just make it significantly more difficult to obtain a drivers's license. And/or require annual testing of driver proficiency. Teach basic laws of physics. Make people actually test out their ABS and stability control systems in controlled environments. But heaven forbid the responsibility actually falls onto an individual.

Driving isn't a right.

you're not wrong.

but i would've had less to say if you had prefaced your comment with something about first improving the abysmal public transportation systems before going about implementing any sort of more stringent licensing systems.

i just finished up my yearly review. i'm part of a company of 4 people. 1 position last year saw a rotation of something near 6 different people(i lost track after 4, i think i called #5 and #6 the names of #2 and #4.) in that position. trying to work every day with someone new that i just trained the other new guy on last month is exhausting. but more importantly, many of them didn't last because they lacked understandings of basic physics. it astounds me how few people have any sort of decent grasp of the things that should be common grade school knowledge.

one had no comprehension that a fully loaded work van couldn't turn as fast around corners as his chevy sonic. after 4 weeks of every-other-day driving.

one didn't understand how to use a shovel and looked at me confused when i started talking about the fulcrum point.

we've reached a tipping point in society that driving has become a right. like it or not. it has to be. take away someone's keys, and it becomes incredibly difficult to get even a basic minimum wage job.

that's the other issue with more testing-- just the same as autonomy. it would have huge socioeconomic ramifications because it would suddenly make a large part of the workforce unable to keep their current jobs.

in talking to a co-worker the other day, there's also a lot to do with war. up until the world wars, the wars were fought primarily with people. so there were serious population shifts because of all the fighting. to put it the most bluntly, it culled the stupid.

but after the world wars, there was a specific shift from fighting wars throwing numbers at each other to fighting wars with machinery and tactics, which resulted in less deaths.

i recall even reading about this in the industrial revolution. it still astounds me to the conditions and expectations that people worked in during those times. where working deaths numbered into the thousands. the textbooks read like death was an expectation instead of an exception...

all those words to say that we're living in a time with the least amount of war, and the least amount of workplace deaths(which is growing ever safer by the day), which means more people than ever still breathing, for better or worse. all those people gotta keep doing something, making us well past the point of being able to enact more stringent rules or regulations on the primary method of getting people around.

the world is messed up.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by soundman98

you're not wrong.



but i would've had less to say if you had prefaced your comment with something about first improving the abysmal public transportation systems before going about implementing any sort of more stringent licensing systems.



i just finished up my yearly review. i'm part of a company of 4 people. 1 position last year saw a rotation of something near 6 different people(i lost track after 4, i think i called #5 and #6 the names of #2 and #4.) in that position. trying to work every day with someone new that i just trained the other new guy on last month is exhausting. but more importantly, many of them didn't last because they lacked understandings of basic physics. it astounds me how few people have any sort of decent grasp of the things that should be common grade school knowledge.



one had no comprehension that a fully loaded work van couldn't turn as fast around corners as his chevy sonic. after 4 weeks of every-other-day driving.



one didn't understand how to use a shovel and looked at me confused when i started talking about the fulcrum point.



we've reached a tipping point in society that driving has become a right. like it or not. it has to be. take away someone's keys, and it becomes incredibly difficult to get even a basic minimum wage job.



that's the other issue with more testing-- just the same as autonomy. it would have huge socioeconomic ramifications because it would suddenly make a large part of the workforce unable to keep their current jobs.



in talking to a co-worker the other day, there's also a lot to do with war. up until the world wars, the wars were fought primarily with people. so there were serious population shifts because of all the fighting. to put it the most bluntly, it culled the stupid.



but after the world wars, there was a specific shift from fighting wars throwing numbers at each other to fighting wars with machinery and tactics, which resulted in less deaths.



i recall even reading about this in the industrial revolution. it still astounds me to the conditions and expectations that people worked in during those times. where working deaths numbered into the thousands. the textbooks read like death was an expectation instead of an exception...



all those words to say that we're living in a time with the least amount of war, and the least amount of workplace deaths(which is growing ever safer by the day), which means more people than ever still breathing, for better or worse. all those people gotta keep doing something, making us well past the point of being able to enact more stringent rules or regulations on the primary method of getting people around.



the world is messed up.

I took lots of physics, but I have a Master's and I never even took basic chemistry. I'm actually listening to audio books on the subject now just to make up for it. It's kind of funny because chemistry is the central science and everything I learned about it was from other classes mentioning, "Well it's basic chemistry really..." What we REALLY need to teach in public schools though is basic budgeting. Or self control...

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[WolfpackS2k]

^^that's true about public transportation (in most of the US). But cars today are insanely easy to drive. If you can't handle that with some competence, then I'm sorry Darwinism exists for a reason.

And by "cars today" I mean last 15+ years.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^^that's true about public transportation (in most of the US). But cars today are insanely easy to drive. If you can't handle that with some competence, then I'm sorry Darwinism exists for a reason.

And by "cars today" I mean last 15+ years.

Unfortunately automotive Darwinism frequently takes out the wrong person/people. The ones creating the problem survive and we end up with a sort of reverse Darwinism.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Unfortunately automotive Darwinism frequently takes out the wrong person/people. The ones creating the problem survive and we end up with a sort of reverse Darwinism.

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[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I've emailed Australasian New Car Assessment Program with my question. Given they're the authority who looks after car safety performance in Australia I am looking forward to their reply. I am guessing it's going to be political in nature.
I'll let you know when I get their response.

I've just phoned ANCAP asking how long it usually takes for a reply to an email.
The reception lady tracked down my email and explained that it was somewhat of a technical question and an engineer would have to reply and the engineers have been busy.

This could be a little bit interesting but I doubt it. ANCAP is the body responsible for promoting lane departure warnings so I can't imagine they are going to say it is just a bad mistake.

[Captain Snooze]

Good morning B***,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP SAFETY.

Lane Support Systems, such as lane departure warning (LDW) and active lane keep assist (LKA), are driver assistance systems designed to assist the driver rather than replace the driver. This is also the case for autonomous emergency braking (AEB) systems.

There are varying levels of vehicle automation (https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/...iving-vehicles) however the majority of vehicles on our roads today do not yet extend beyond SAE Level 2 and are therefore not considered to be automated vehicles and cannot, by law, be used as such (i.e. LDW and LKA systems cannot be used to allow the driver to send text messages, watch a movie or read a book while in operation of the vehicle).

Kind regards,

ANCAP SAFETY
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603, Australia
P 02 6232 0232
E ancap@ancap.com.au



-----Original Message-----
From: noreply@ancap.com.au <noreply@ancap.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2019 3:59 PM
To: James Lisle <James.Lisle@ancap.com.au>
Subject: ANCAP - Ask an Expert Query

Dear ANCAP,
Could you please explain the benefit of Lane Support Systems/Lane Departure Warning?

I guess it would be of benefit to allow longer text messaging, watching a movie or reading a book while driving down the freeway.

I cannot think of a situation where this feature can surpass good driver technique. That is, watching where you are going and being aware of where your car is on the road..

Regards,
B***.

[Captain Snooze]

Lane departure warning, blind spot detection help drivers avoid trouble

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Good morning B***,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP SAFETY.

Lane Support Systems, such as lane departure warning (LDW) and active lane keep assist (LKA), are driver assistance systems designed to assist the driver rather than replace the driver. This is also the case for autonomous emergency braking (AEB) systems.

There are varying levels of vehicle automation (https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/...iving-vehicles) however the majority of vehicles on our roads today do not yet extend beyond SAE Level 2 and are therefore not considered to be automated vehicles and cannot, by law, be used as such (i.e. LDW and LKA systems cannot be used to allow the driver to send text messages, watch a movie or read a book while in operation of the vehicle).

Kind regards,

ANCAP SAFETY
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603, Australia
P 02 6232 0232
E ancap@ancap.com.au



-----Original Message-----
From: noreply@ancap.com.au <noreply@ancap.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2019 3:59 PM
To: James Lisle <James.Lisle@ancap.com.au>
Subject: ANCAP - Ask an Expert Query

Dear ANCAP,
Could you please explain the benefit of Lane Support Systems/Lane Departure Warning?

I guess it would be of benefit to allow longer text messaging, watching a movie or reading a book while driving down the freeway.

I cannot think of a situation where this feature can surpass good driver technique. That is, watching where you are going and being aware of where your car is on the road..

Regards,
B***.

So pretty much what most of us have said.