When to expect BRZ STI

[Allch Chcar]

If they do make one, it'll be as much as an WRX STI minus the cost of turbocharging, (of course). Factory STI parts are much more expensive than decent aftermarket parts.

There was an early rumor from an interview they could have made 230BHP but that they went 200BHP for better emissions and fuel economy. I've seen the interview but I can't remember if it as Tada, the lead engineer, or some marketing guy.

Dunno about the release expectations, only know I've seen rumors and promises that say/suggest it'll be 100% N/A and RWD.

[AndreaCristiano]

Thanks to everyone with the maturity to actually discuss this

[FT-86GOD]

In a year and a half BRZ will bring out an sti with turbo..... Who knows, maybe even S/C... For production...

In a year and a half TRD will bring out a S/C for production........ Then both STI/TRD will start playing with ECU....

Just my opinion....And Gentlemen Agreement....

[Skyhound]

I don't remember which magazine it was, but I did read an article that Subie has stated that they do not want to turbo the BRZ. Subaru believes that the turbo is what makes the WRX famous, not the STI department as a whole so they want to explore other options with the BRZ. Though the same article did go on to say that they'll probably eat their words since their fanboys only want turbo + awd. They want it to be a lighter WRX. :/

[quik1987]

I wouldn't expect anything before 2014

[noAE86]

Originally Posted by Skyhound

fanboys only want turbo + awd. They want it to be a lighter WRX. :/

this is the most retarded part i dont understand,

if the fanboys wanted a wrx then buy a fcuk.ing WRX
its already turbo and awd, its

subaru/toyota is not stupid enough to do it to the brz and let it steal sales from one of there best sellers,
however subaru shoud never have gone to the hatch platform, it shoud have stayed with the imprezza coupe base, when it went hatch alot of my friends went cold on the wrx/sti hatch,

STI N/A tuning should be intriesting, i dont recall any NA models they have tuned to be sucessful/competitive.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Skyhound

I don't remember which magazine it was, but I did read an article that Subie has stated that they do not want to turbo the BRZ. Subaru believes that the turbo is what makes the WRX famous, not the STI department as a whole so they want to explore other options with the BRZ. Though the same article did go on to say that they'll probably eat their words since their fanboys only want turbo + awd. They want it to be a lighter WRX. :/

I don't see a problem with adding a factory turbo option. They keep saying the WRX/STI will be it's own platform and no longer based on the Impreza. Maybe that platform will be a stretched BRZ?

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by noAE86

this is the most retarded part i dont understand,

if the fanboys wanted a wrx then buy a fcuk.ing WRX
its already turbo and awd, its

subaru/toyota is not stupid enough to do it to the brz and let it steal sales from one of there best sellers,
however subaru shoud never have gone to the hatch platform, it shoud have stayed with the imprezza coupe base, when it went hatch alot of my friends went cold on the wrx/sti hatch,

STI N/A tuning should be intriesting, i dont recall any NA models they have tuned to be sucessful/competitive.

Its not difficult to understand. They simply want a lightweight WRX (just like in the 90s) with a better chassis in regards to a turbo/AWD BRZ. The GC8 WRX weighed 2800 lbs. The current model weighs nearly 3400 lbs.

A turbo AWD BRZ wont ever happen but it would be awesome if it did. I have heard rumors of the next-gen WRX/STi being a BRZ platform mate so that would be more than good enough.

BTW, the Impreza coupe was never the standard model. The Impreza was always, from the beginning, designed as a 4-door sedan/saloon first. The coupe was more of an afterthought. A sexy one at that.

[AndreaCristiano]

Originally Posted by Bacon

Its not difficult to understand. They simply want a lightweight WRX (just like in the 90s) with a better chassis in regards to a turbo/AWD BRZ. The GC8 WRX weighed 2800 lbs. The current model weighs nearly 3400 lbs.

A turbo AWD BRZ wont ever happen but it would be awesome if it did. I have heard rumors of the next-gen WRX/STi being a BRZ platform mate so that would be more than good enough.

BTW, the Impreza coupe was never the standard model. The Impreza was always, from the beginning, designed as a 4-door sedan/saloon first. The coupe was more of an afterthought. A sexy one at that.

I concur I do not understand the hatred toward AWD on here

[thermobox]

I have no hatred towards AWD nor do I believe others to. I've owned an Outback, STi and currently a Saabaru. I have to have AWD in my life somehow.

I think your misunderstanding the fact that the BRZ shouldn't be AWD. Think about it for a moment.

If the BRZ was AWD they would have to change the name to BAZ.

Subaru already has their AWD Line-Ups secured in the WRX/STi Line-Ups. They don't need to add it to the BRZ to make it an STi version.

[AndreaCristiano]

Originally Posted by thermobox

I have no hatred towards AWD nor do I believe others to. I've owned an Outback, STi and currently a Saabaru. I have to have AWD in my life somehow.

I think your misunderstanding the fact that the BRZ shouldn't be AWD. Think about it for a moment.

If the BRZ was AWD they would have to change the name to BAZ.

Subaru already has their AWD Line-Ups secured in the WRX/STi Line-Ups. They don't need to add it to the BRZ to make it an STi version.

No and I agree although it would add something to differentiate from the scion I mean they are really to similar

[thermobox]

You just gotta roll with it brother. This is nothing new for car marketing in America. There will be multiple models driving around with very little to tell them apart other than badges.
Trailblazer, 97X, Ascender, etc.
T/A, Firebird, Camaro
Laser, Talon, Eclipse
Town & Country, Grand Caravan, Routan
etc, etc

I like to see all of the different cars rebadged when I travel abroad. Recently in Mexico I saw some of my faves like the Chevy Astra and Nissan Tsuru.

[schtebie]

Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano

No and I agree although it would add something to differentiate from the scion I mean they are really to similar

Would it differentiate the BRZ from FR-S? Of course.

It seems you're missing the business side of things. There's a reason why this was a joint venture between Toyota and Subaru. For any production car, there is a massive capital investment involved, from R&D to tooling the manufacturing plants. If Subaru was capable of adding AWD to differentiate from the Toyota model, they probably wouldn't have needed Toyota as a partner to begin with.

The GT86/BRZ/FR-S is a low volume vehicle and will remain as such. Sure, enthusiasts like ourselves absolutely adore the damn things. However, your average car buyer (e.g. family with 1 or 2 children) wants things that the FT86 cannot offer. Why else would you see so many Camrys, Corollas, and Civics on the road?

The FT86 can't be relied on for sustained profitability for Toyota/Subaru - the target customers are just a small subset of the overall car-buying population. At the end of the day, these companies are in it to make money. Investing such a huge amount of resources for little appreciable gain just doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano

I concur I do not understand the hatred toward AWD on here

It's more that AWD would require some SERIOUS reworking. It would essentially ruin the vehicle. Why? One of the big positives of the twins is it's incredibly low center of gravity; you can't have that center of gravity with AWD, the motor needs to be raised to accommodate the drivetrain. In addition to this the vehicle would be heavier and it's weight distribution skewed. The car then becomes an understeering, heavier, worse handling small car with increased parasitic driveline loss. NOT TO MENTION this would cut into STI sales heavily, which would be a bonehead move by Subie.

So then the question becomes, is that really worth it?