tS Track Day Pads - Advice/Insight Requested

[J1Avs]

Originally Posted by Tristor

https://www.amazon.com/Motul-Brake-f.../dp/B00CMZQMKS


$9.99 w/ Prime Shipping, ships from and sold by Amazon.com

That's 5.1, not 600 or 660.

[ZDan]

I think most people will be just fine for quite a few track days with off-the-shelf DOT4 at less than $7/liter:
https://www.pepboys.com/valvoline-do...product/256614

Works for me...

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Tristor

https://www.amazon.com/Motul-Brake-f.../dp/B00CMZQMKS


$9.99 w/ Prime Shipping, ships from and sold by Amazon.com

Yeah, that's not RBF600... 5.1 is roughly half the price of RBF600.

[juliog]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I think most people will be just fine for quite a few track days with off-the-shelf DOT4[/url]

Works for me...

Awful advice. A beginner driving a bone stock brz/86 with a coach on the passenger seat will easily exceed the capacity of lesser 'sports' fluids like Motul RBF600, ending the day with a dangerously soft brake pedal.

On any single track day, you're spending hundreds of dollars in track fees, gas and amortization of consumables (tires, engine oil, trans oil, brake pads, etc etc etc) , plus risking total loss on a $25K+ vehicle. It wouldn't be smart to incurr in all those costs, and still choose not to use a proper motorports brake fluid.

[Tristor]

Originally Posted by J1Avs

That's 5.1, not 600 or 660.

Originally Posted by wparsons

Yeah, that's not RBF600... 5.1 is roughly half the price of RBF600.

Yes, I know. I said originally

Motul DOT 5.1 is $20/liter give or take.

I'm not sure what's happening in this thread, seems folks are not actually reading what I wrote...

[J1Avs]

Originally Posted by Tristor

Yes, I know. I said originally



I'm not sure what's happening in this thread, seems folks are not actually reading what I wrote...

Touche...my bad on that! The conversation merged into Motul writ-large, which I think everyone immediately thinks 600/660...looks like I'm the a$$!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by juliog

Awful advice. A beginner driving a bone stock brz/86 with a coach on the passenger seat will easily exceed the capacity of lesser 'sports' fluids like Motul RBF600, ending the day with a dangerously soft brake pedal.

I don't know about RBF600, but again, I doubt that most will exceed the capacity of an off-the-shelf name-brand DOT4. I don't, and I've been doing this a few years...

On any single track day, you're spending hundreds of dollars in track fees, gas and amortization of consumables (tires, engine oil, trans oil, brake pads, etc etc etc) , plus risking total loss on a $25K+ vehicle. It wouldn't be smart to incurr in all those costs, and still choose not to use a proper motorports brake fluid.

In many cases it's just not necessary. Hasn't been in my experience, anyway, including in a 550hp RX-7. I've never had any issues running good parts-store DOT4 (usually Valvoline). I usually get at least 6 good track days before flushing with fresh fluid.

[fminicooper]

Originally Posted by juliog

Awful advice. A beginner driving a bone stock brz/86 with a coach on the passenger seat will easily exceed the capacity of lesser 'sports' fluids like Motul RBF600, ending the day with a dangerously soft brake pedal.

On any single track day, you're spending hundreds of dollars in track fees, gas and amortization of consumables (tires, engine oil, trans oil, brake pads, etc etc etc) , plus risking total loss on a $25K+ vehicle. It wouldn't be smart to incurr in all those costs, and still choose not to use a proper motorports brake fluid.

100% agree.
RBF600 is not good enought for hard core braking.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by juliog

Awful advice. A beginner driving a bone stock brz/86 with a coach on the passenger seat will easily exceed the capacity of lesser 'sports' fluids like Motul RBF600, ending the day with a dangerously soft brake pedal.

On any single track day, you're spending hundreds of dollars in track fees, gas and amortization of consumables (tires, engine oil, trans oil, brake pads, etc etc etc) , plus risking total loss on a $25K+ vehicle. It wouldn't be smart to incurr in all those costs, and still choose not to use a proper motorports brake fluid.

There's no way you're boiling RBF600 on stock brake pads without feeling pad fade LONG before the fluid boils.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by juliog

Awful advice. A beginner driving a bone stock brz/86 with a coach on the passenger seat will easily exceed the capacity of lesser 'sports' fluids like Motul RBF600, ending the day with a dangerously soft brake pedal.

On any single track day, you're spending hundreds of dollars in track fees, gas and amortization of consumables (tires, engine oil, trans oil, brake pads, etc etc etc) , plus risking total loss on a $25K+ vehicle. It wouldn't be smart to incurr in all those costs, and still choose not to use a proper motorports brake fluid.

I ran RBF600 all last year with no issues, never had a soft pedal. Even got my brakes hot enough to fade the annodizing of the hats.

[Qwimby1]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I don't know about RBF600, but again, I doubt that most will exceed the capacity of an off-the-shelf name-brand DOT4. I don't, and I've been doing this a few years...


In many cases it's just not necessary. Hasn't been in my experience, anyway, including in a 550hp RX-7. I've never had any issues running good parts-store DOT4 (usually Valvoline). I usually get at least 6 good track days before flushing with fresh fluid.

Agree. I ran off-the-shelf Castrol LMA in my turbo Porsche race car for years with no problems. I did bleed before every event.


A note on Carbotech pads. We're told they can't be run on discs that have had any other type pad. A guy at Carbotech said I could just clean the discs with sandpaper and that worked fine for me.