Visconti Tuning - Latest BRZ Flash Info

[ICEBONEZ]

Originally Posted by Visconti

All Emails, PMs, Tune Requests, and Orders have all been taken care of.

Anyone that has ordered a ProECU Kit should be getting a automatic email with tracking info. If you dont see that email in the next 24hrs check your spam folder !

Anyone that is still waiting on something for me please submit a support ticket so it can be taken care of.

-John

Again, best service and best tuner on the forums. Keep it up John

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by Visconti

Anyone that has ordered a ProECU Kit should be getting a automatic email with tracking info. If you dont see that email in the next 24hrs check your spam folder !

Email received, did not get filtered into spam folder with Gmail

[Visconti]

Just wanted to thank everyone again for your business.

Great things are in the pipeline, can't wait until I can share more

-John

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by Visconti

Just wanted to thank everyone again for your business.

Great things are in the pipeline, can't wait until I can share more

-John

Good god, I just flashed v1.1 of your pump gas tune and the difference is astonishing. There is something different happening now between 3500-4000rpm where it sounds much more mechanical/aggressive (valve timing?). I haven't sent you a single log yet, but when I do I'm sure you will fine tune it further. (:

Can't wait to try v1.11b1 of the ethanol tunes..

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Visconti

Great things are in the pipeline, can't wait until I can share more

Maybe a sale?

I've been meaning to ask what's included in your tune/license/cable package that warrants the $125 additional cost (totaling $950 before shipping) compared other similar EcuTek tune/license/cable packages for $825 shipped? Not trolling; genuinely interested to hear the answer.

[jamesm]

it's IP. your paying for his time (amortized over a bunch of reflash kits). think of it like you're buying an album from a musician, only it's a tune from a tuner. a small fraction is hardware (the disc) the rest is IP (the music).

his is more expensive because he has the best reputation and can charge what people are willing to pay.

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Maybe a sale?

I've been meaning to ask what's included in your tune/license/cable package that warrants the $125 additional cost (totaling $950 before shipping) compared other similar EcuTek tune/license/cable packages for $825 shipped? Not trolling; genuinely interested to hear the answer.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by jamesm

it's IP. your paying for his time (amortized over a bunch of reflash kits). think of it like you're buying an album from a musician, only it's a tune from a tuner. a small fraction is hardware (the disc) the rest is IP (the music).

his is more expensive because he has the best reputation and can charge what people are willing to pay.

That analogy works in some ways but if I were to spend my money on the most popular musician's albums I would certainly not be getting the highest quality music for my ears. On the other hand, I bet there are more than a few girls out there willing to shell out $30 for a Justin Bieber album, when there are much better musicians out there selling albums full of much better music for $10. All a matter of opinion, I guess.

So what about the IP makes it worth $125 more? I'm still trying to understand what makes the actual tune that much better. I'm asking about the tune itself, not the customer service, ordering, support...etc... or are those things what John asks a premium for? Is the tune itself not what his customers pay extra for? Reason I'm having trouble understanding it is because there have been third party dynos posted in other threads here comparing different EcuTek tunes and they all make around +10 to +20whp on pump gas considering other bolt-ons.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

That analogy works in some ways but if I were to spend my money on the most popular musician's albums I would certainly not be getting the highest quality music for my ears. On the other hand, I bet there are more than a few girls out there willing to shell out $30 for a Justin Bieber album, when there are much better musicians out there selling albums full of much better music for $10. All a matter of opinion, I guess.

So what about the IP makes it worth $125 more? I'm still trying to understand what makes the actual tune that much better. I'm asking about the tune itself, not the customer service, ordering, support...etc... or are those things what John asks a premium for? Is the tune itself not what his customers pay extra for? Reason I'm having trouble understanding it is because there have been third party dynos posted in other threads here comparing different EcuTek tunes and they all make around +10 to +20whp on pump gas considering other bolt-ons.

What makes a $300 Perrin Intake better than a $40 Weapon-R filter on a stick? They're both intakes, right?

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

What makes a $300 Perrin Intake better than a $40 Weapon-R filter on a stick? They're both intakes, right?

Well theoretically with an independent, same car same dyno test of the two intakes and they happened to both make around the same gains in power....

Except in this case there truly are independent test results posted comparing Visconti tunes to others and to me, aside from a bit safer top-end AFR with the VTune, I don't see much difference. I want to clarify what it is about the tune itself that sets it apart and warrants the additional cost if there are no additional features or tangible items included. I hope that's not too much to ask; I'm a tough sale.

[Rich@ViscontiTuning]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

That analogy works in some ways but if I were to spend my money on the most popular musician's albums I would certainly not be getting the highest quality music for my ears. On the other hand, I bet there are more than a few girls out there willing to shell out $30 for a Justin Bieber album, when there are much better musicians out there selling albums full of much better music for $10. All a matter of opinion, I guess.

So what about the IP makes it worth $125 more? I'm still trying to understand what makes the actual tune that much better. I'm asking about the tune itself, not the customer service, ordering, support...etc... or are those things what John asks a premium for? Is the tune itself not what his customers pay extra for? Reason I'm having trouble understanding it is because there have been third party dynos posted in other threads here comparing different EcuTek tunes and they all make around +10 to +20whp on pump gas considering other bolt-ons.

This discussion is sort of a jump off of what I just replied to in this thread..

I don't think the musician analogy is a very good one personally. Music is subjective; what some may find "the most talented musician on earth," many others could regard as crap. The Justin Bieber analagy and the teeny boppers fits pretty well here .

The reason this analogy doesn't fit is because we're talking about proven results with Visconti's tunes. He's had the most experience with these cars, he's had the most research and development, and we as "Visconti Tuning" are offering features and support that few others (if any) are offering.

How many tuners provide free updates? How many tuners are consistently working to make their calibrations better and distributing it for no additional cost to all of our loyal customers? If you are a customer of Visconti Tuning, and maybe you've had a different car with a different tune, or even a different tune on your FR-S/BRZ, have any of those companies provided the support console we offer?

The bottom line is, and one thing I know most of us have learned the hard way in this industry is, you get what you pay for. Why do some companies charge literally twice as much for intake tubing or exhaust manifolds? It's the R&D. It's the experience that went into making those parts. It's the quality of the materials and the results you can rely on that justify the cost. This is what we're all about at Visconti Tuning. We want to be the best, because we know we can be the best. And a quick review of this forum will provide plenty of testimonials to the quality and support you receive by going with us. I know I may be just a tad bit biased on this subject, but I don't think there's very many who can argue: we have the goods to back it up!

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

aside from a bit safer top-end AFR with the VTune

Safer fueling is worth it alone. That was the main reason I went with John.

Yes, you can make more power lean... but his air/fuel curve is what sold me. I would rather have someone who makes a safe/reliable tune than someone who is only concerned about every last bit of horsepower at the very peak of the powerband (not that any of the other vendors/tuners do that, it was just an example)

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

Safer fueling is worth it alone. That was the main reason I went with John.

Yes, you can make more power lean... but his air/fuel curve is what sold me. I would rather have someone who makes a safe/reliable tune than someone who is only concerned about every last bit of horsepower at the very peak of the powerband (not that any of the other vendors/tuners do that, it was just an example)

And that's on one of my old tunes...

The curve is much better now

[Carwhisperer]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Well theoretically with an independent, same car same dyno test of the two intakes and they happened to both make around the same gains in power....

Except in this case there truly are independent test results posted comparing Visconti tunes to others and to me, aside from a bit safer top-end AFR with the VTune, I don't see much difference. I want to clarify what it is about the tune itself that sets it apart and warrants the additional cost if there are no additional features or tangible items included. I hope that's not too much to ask; I'm a tough sale.

Car runs as it should've stock. Aside from the incredible performance gains with the e85 and how it growls like a wanna-be muscle car. It just runs extremely smoother than other tunes that friends have purchased that I personally have gave a try in other 86's in my area.

[JiB]

Hey John or Rich,

I recently got your pump gas tune and am thinking about changing the headers to the Borla UEL.
Will i get CEL's without updating the tune? if a updated tune is needed, is there a cost?

Cheers