valve spring issue?

[Scir16v]

You know, I understand the safety concerns about the car stalling, which could cause an accident. But i'm going to drive my car how I would normally drive. My FR-S has 140,000 miles on it. If it pops before the recall is complete, I'm not too concerned.

And some of you guys thinking you'll get new engines out of this, not happening. Unless the engine had a catastrophic failure that would require it. Corporations specify how their money will be spent. They would rather spend 40k dollars following what the top brass approved then to incorporate a cheaper option. All because the cheaper option has not been through the proper channels.

And long blocks from Toyota are 12.5

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And a whole shitload of Imprezas. The total Twins that come under the recall is well under 1% of the models. The techs will be very good at this task in a pretty short time.

Too bad Toyota owners can’t let Subaru do the work.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Too bad Toyota owners can’t let Subaru do the work.

It would certainly be a benefit as far as experience goes. The Toyota techs are not the morons everybody seems to think they are though so they will manage just fine. Hilarious that a bunch of guys that wrench on their cars once in a while feel they are so much better at it than guys that do it every day.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It would certainly be a benefit as far as experience goes. The Toyota techs are not the morons everybody seems to think they are though so they will manage just fine. Hilarious that a bunch of guys that wrench on their cars once in a while feel they are so much better at it than guys that do it every day.

I never said anything you are implying. I was simply saying the Toyota techs will not have the benefit of working on all the cars you listed above. I am friends with a service manager at a Toyota dealer who I borrowed a DI seal tool from and he said they just did there first DI seal install just a few months before I borrowed the tool. He said they went through a ton of seals before they got the hang of it. So they didn’t touch seals until 2017. Clearly they don’t work on the 86 that often.

[WNDSRFR]

I don't understand the big deal about the engine stalling and causing a crash. The car has electric steering that will still work with a stalled engine and the brakes still work very well with the engine off.
It's not like in the old days with vacuum assisted steering and brakes. I had the timing belt break going 60 mph in my GTI and I could barely steer it and I bent the brake petal to get it to stop.
Which brings up a question. How do the brakes work on a boosted car? On the GTI they have a vacuum generator which maintains vacuum for the brakes and steering while you are under boost. So what do you FI guys do about it?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

How do the brakes work on a boosted car? On the GTI they have a vacuum generator which maintains vacuum for the brakes and steering while you are under boost. So what do you FI guys do about it?

On the PD superchargers the brakes are still vacuum assisted as the connection is pre-compressor. On all other setups I would assume similar to what you suggested.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

I never said anything you are implying. I was simply saying the Toyota techs will not have the benefit of working on all the cars you listed above. I am friends with a service manager at a Toyota dealer who I borrowed a DI seal tool from and he said they just did there first DI seal install just a few months before I borrowed the tool. He said they went through a ton of seals before they got the hang of it. So they didn’t touch seals until 2017. Clearly they don’t work on the 86 that often.

I know you didn't. The comment was not directed at you but the many that do indeed think that way.

[ScionWolf]

I think the concern that most have with dealership repairs is that while, yes, the techs are quite competent, nobody cares about your stuff like you do. In many eyes that could lead to carelessness.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

I don't understand the big deal about the engine stalling and causing a crash. The car has electric steering that will still work with a stalled engine and the brakes still work very well with the engine off...

It's about corporate risk management.

One accident that resulted in injury that started with a broken spring, and ended with somebody who doesn't really know how to deal with broken car not getting far enough off the road, or stopping in the middle of a busy highway. Since Toyota/Subaru knew about the spring but did not offer to repair would potentially result in liability lawsuits far outweighing the cost of the repairs, not to mention the publicity nightmare (remember "runaway" cars?).

In the end, they are doing what they need to do in (I think) good faith to protect their customers and provide good will. Gearheads might think an extended warranty is a better solution, but when the scenario above happens an extended warranty doesn't protect their financial or public image issues.

In the end, its also the right thing to do in my opinion.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ScionWolf

I think the concern that most have with dealership repairs is that while, yes, the techs are quite competent, nobody cares about your stuff like you do. That invariably leads to carelessness, especially when time constraints impact profit margin.

fify


I've been in the business. Can't agree more.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

I don't understand the big deal about the engine stalling and causing a crash. The car has electric steering that will still work with a stalled engine and the brakes still work very well with the engine off.
It's not like in the old days with vacuum assisted steering and brakes. I had the timing belt break going 60 mph in my GTI and I could barely steer it and I bent the brake petal to get it to stop.
Which brings up a question. How do the brakes work on a boosted car? On the GTI they have a vacuum generator which maintains vacuum for the brakes and steering while you are under boost. So what do you FI guys do about it?

I agree, it would be the same that if the car ran out of gas -


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

fify


I've been in the business. Can't agree more.

Yep they all don't care. And all IT people are obnoxious nerds, engineers all are egotistical sociopaths, restaurant workers are all burnt out stoners, and so on. This painting ever single tech ever as a lazy, uncaring, incompetent nincompoop is just foolish and rater elitist. Like any their job there will be far more that take pride in their work than just don't give a shit. Convince me that "caring" makes for a better job of anything when it is done in a driveway with a mishmash of inappropriate tools and equipment. A properly trained and experienced tech in a well equipped shop can blow the guy that "cares" away.
Can you get a bad one that screws up? Sure but you can get that in any job or trade. We hear the horror stories here but we are only getting one side of an incredibly biased version of events so I believe about 5% of the shit people fling.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I agree, it would be the same that if the car ran out of gas -


humfrz

That would not be the fault of the company.

[ermax]

One thing that gives techs a bad name is the the customers don’t interact with the techs directly. You deal with service guys who tend to not relay messages from the techs properly or put some sort of spin on things leaving someone who is knowledgeable about cars thinking the tech is an idiot. I’m friends with some techs and they aren’t idiots at all. I’ve been stumped on problems and gone to them for advice and they always make me feel like an idiot when they are like, “did you try this... how about this or that”. Nope didn’t think of any of those. Hahaha.