Learning manual, stalled so many times

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ermax

I've taught a bunch of people and this is surprisingly hard to get through to them. They will sit there with the car bucking like crazy and you're repeating over and over, "push the clutch push the clutch!" and they refuse to.

I think we are all forgetting what the first week of driving a MT was like. I can hardly remember what day of the week it is these days let alone how bad I was at MT in the first week.

This is why, once a new driver is ready to move the car, the very first thing to teach is no-gas starts. The driver has to learn how to modulate the clutch.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

This is why, once a new driver is ready to move the car, the very first thing to teach is no-gas starts. The driver has to learn how to modulate the clutch.

After the tach has been covered so that they are not trying to drive by a gauge but by sound and feel. They have enough to pay attention to without looking to see what the number is all the time.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

After the tach has been covered so that they are not trying to drive by a gauge but by sound and feel. They have enough to pay attention to without looking to see what the number is all the time.

U trollin? Who gives a rat's ass about the tach?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

U trollin? Who gives a rat's ass about the tach?

Far far too many people do! I always cover it. Learn the car not the instruments.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

U trollin? Who gives a rat's ass about the tach?

Well I don't know, new drivers always ask when they should shift and you say, "somewhere around 3k". So then they stare into the tach and want to shift at exactly 3k as if it will blow if they shift at 3500 or 2500.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by ermax

Well I don't know, new drivers always ask when they should shift and you say, "somewhere around 3k". So then they stare into the tach and want to shift at exactly 3k as if it will blow if they shift at 3500 or 2500.

And this is honestly probably related to why people are incapable of wringing this car out properly and call it slow.

But that's a thread for another day.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by spike021

And this is honestly probably related to why people are incapable of wringing this car out properly and call it slow.

But that's a thread for another day.

<sarcasm>Yeah I'm probably doing the car a disservice. From now on when I'm teaching someone to drive a manual for the first time and they ask where to shift I will tell them 7500. Should also simplify the learning process.</sarcasm>

[spike021]

Originally Posted by ermax

<sarcasm>Yeah I'm probably doing the car a disservice. From now on when I'm teaching someone to drive a manual for the first time and they ask where to shift I will tell them 7500. Should also simplify the learning process.</sarcasm>

Haha, nah. That wasn't my point.

Only that unfortunately people think "well, that's the only place I can shift up at and if I go past it then my engine is going to blow up."

[Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

After the tach has been covered so that they are not trying to drive by a gauge but by sound and feel. They have enough to pay attention to without looking to see what the number is all the time.

Never thought of this strategy for teaching but makes total sense. Come to think of it, I once recall driving a circa 80's Toyota Tercel that I used to borrow from a friend that did not have a tach. I'd imagine this was more common for vehicles in that era or earlier.

[Ultramaroon]

Shift when the car stops going faster.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by spike021

Haha, nah. That wasn't my point.

Only that unfortunately people think "well, that's the only place I can shift up at and if I go past it then my engine is going to blow up."

Gotcha. I've never had a problem with the power of the car when you are ragging on it and I've never had a problem with the power when driving casually, it's the in between where you need to accelerate reasonably quick but without making a scene and you get stuck in that torque dip that bugs me. E85 does freaking wonders for this car though. Best bang for the buck (free) mod I've ever done on any car. I have no complaints at all about the power output of this car now. The car doesn't really need more power it just needs that dip to be flattened out and the E85 does a good job of that. I'm lucky that one of the major suppliers of fuel in my home town is added E85 all over town. The station right by my house is getting a new tank and pumps as we speak.

But yeah, another topic for another thread.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Brooklyn

Never thought of this strategy for teaching but makes total sense. Come to think of it, I once recall driving a circa 80's Toyota Tercel that I used to borrow from a friend that did not have a tach. I'd imagine this was more common for vehicles in that era or earlier.

The vast majority of the cars I have owned did not have a tach.
I learned how bad the habit could be a few decades ago when teaching a guy how to drive a 5 ton recovery wrecker. The dude would stare at the tach for several seconds just before every shift. Now 4 or 5 seconds does not sound like long but it is a scary amount of time to have your eyes off the road when barreling down the road in a big heavy army truck.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The vast majority of the cars I have owned did not have a tach. .

Now that I think back on it, I think most of the cars I have owed with Tachs were AT, and the MT didn't have one. I wouldn't use it regardless for the reasons mentioned.

[FRS13_]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I only screw up when I think about it.

I agree!

Subconscious shifting is perfect shifting. Stop overthinking it.

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