S2000 to BRZ tS (long post)

[Chris S]

Nice comparison. I've owned and loved 3 S2000's ('01, '03, & '08), and had some regrets selling the '08 until I got my '17 BRZ PP. Like many, I feel the BRZ's greatest shortcoming vs. the S2000 is the engine, w/ everything else (aside from wheels/tires, which are easily upgradeable) being better for me in the BRZ. I used to love my S2000's for twisties and track events, but hated them for daily driving. The BRZ, however, offers most of the fun of the S2000 in a daily driveable package w/ more comfort, space, and practicality.

[Adam_L]

Great initial post. I don't have much to add, other then enjoy the ride.

Most people would enjoy having....250-350 torque at their disposal, but there is a cost ( gas, plus initial purchase price...pay to play) in getting that 6cyl / V8 engine. Everyone has their own justifications for their ultimate decisions on what route/ strategy to take.

[Adam_L]

Also meant to say, I like your assessment of the time value of money. I'd say currently the last 3-5 years, trucks are off the chain price wise. Full size going for $42-60k....no problem, diesel same equipped truck even more... $60-70k no problem. That's about a 30-33% price increase, even over the last 12-13 years (say 2005 numbers).

I'd also say the twins are most likely 5-10% more fuel efficient the a S2k ( any year), which to me factors in ( especially if it's a daily driver)....just watch those 91-93 octane prices

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

I'd also say the twins are most likely 5-10% more fuel efficient the a S2k ( any year), which to me factors in ( especially if it's a daily driver)....just watch those 91-93 octane prices

Is this really a real factor????

[Rai-zero]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Great initial post. I don't have much to add, other then enjoy the ride.

Most people would enjoy having....250-350 torque at their disposal, but there is a cost ( gas, plus initial purchase price...pay to play) in getting that 6cyl / V8 engine. Everyone has their own justifications for their ultimate decisions on what route/ strategy to take.

I’m not really bothered about not having ‘a lot of power’ I’ve had M3 was great but I don’t really like to scare myself to death. My friend had a 650 hp Viper which killed him. I’m aware you can get into accidents with any power car but IMO slower car means slower accident or maybe missed accident altogether.

I also wanted to point out the price of the BRZ is very reasonable imo. I could have bought a 911 or Vette or Cayman did enough research to know the cost new and used. Drove a 2017 Cayman same day as I drove the BRZ. Obviously the biggest difference is the power and the interior materials. With the tS though I feel like it’s nice and planted to the road like a Cayman and to me the tS (silly wing and all) looks special. Initially I was just going to buy a BRZ limited PP but the tS looks, suspension and wheels/tires sold me.

The new Cayman with typical options cost you $70K easy, that’s twice the cost of a tS so in reality, I could buy a tS and if I wanted to buy a GTi or similar car two nice cars for the price of one. I should have done that when I bought my M3, I mean should have kept the S2000 and bought a GTi but I wouldn’t have known that the big power and price was not worth twice the cost. I’d have always wanted the V8 crazy fast car but the BRZ is fast enough for me.

The BRZ is not half the car of a Cayman, M3 or Vette but is half the price.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Is this really a real factor????

Sure. Efficiency is performance. Always has been, always will be.

If the S2K were to get 22mpg (rated 18/25) average, and the BRZ ( 24/33) gets 29 mpg average , that's a 7mpg difference (roughly).

If you travel 10,000 miles in a year, in that the BRZ gets 7mpg better that would yield a fuel savings of 49 gallons of gas . Say gas averages $3.30 a gallon for premium = 49g x $3.30 = $161 money saved in a year. Money you can help pay your car insurance .... or I can think of a load of other things to do with $161. Not to mention less pollutants into the atmosphere.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

The new Cayman with typical options cost you $70K easy, that’s twice the cost of a tS so in reality, I could buy a tS and if I wanted to buy a GTi or similar car two nice cars for the price of one. I should have done that when I bought my M3, I mean should have kept the S2000 and bought a GTi but I wouldn’t have known that the big power and price was not worth twice the cost. I’d have always wanted the V8 crazy fast car but the BRZ is fast enough for me.

The BRZ is not half the car of a Cayman, M3 or Vette but is half the price.

I agree.
Many Porsche aficionados don't consider the Cayman a true P-car (build in Romania .... I believe , but of course designed in Germany). Poor versatility in a Cayman. I've never driven one, but I'm sure fun to drive.

If I were to move to europe tomorrow, I'd most likely not bring a single car with me, sell my vehicles , pool my money , and buy a newer 2010+ (probably 997.1 or 997.2 series) 911 C2 or C2S over there. If there is nasty weather snow/ice , I'd consider a C4S

[Jae_Rex]

Great read. I am a new 86 owner and long time S2000 owner (13 years, 01 AP1 w/ 47,xxx miles). The gear box in the 86 feels similar to the S. Still breaking the 86 in.

[bcj]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

IMO slower car means slower accident or maybe missed accident altogether.

0h. Sorry I'm late.




*crickets*




that went better than expected

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Geese1

I know Subaru advertises the car's stock shifter as having short throws, so as you said, maybe there isn't much of a difference between the STI shifter and stock.

There is not much of a difference in the throw distance (-4mm) but the STI shifter definitely requires a little more force to engage, but still not a definite firm click feeling like a Honda from the 90's.

If you want even more shorter throws (-8mm) then there is the TRD Japan version.