Deciding on finding the best short shifter

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I don't understand why anyone would want a shorter shifter in this car?



Anyone?









humfrz

The shifter shouldn’t actually be shorter, it’s the throws that are.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The shifter shouldn’t actually be shorter, it’s the throws that are.

Thanks.

OK, so why would anyone want shorter throws?




humfrz

[Dr. BRZ]

IRP, broke boy

[Vracer111]

Quite simple...there are only two choices for best short shifter I'm aware of: CAE Ultra shifter or the IRP shifter. Both are of similar design and entirely replace the factory setup unlike every other shifter out there - no rubber bushings anywhere in them. Direct, solid connections with ZERO play and one of the most satisfying shifting feel you'll ever get. Plus you get short throw with longer lever that puts the shifter at a more ideal height than most factory shifters. Of course with these you are talking $$$$...especially for the CAE Ultra shifter.

[WNDSRFR]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

Quite simple...there are only two choices for best short shifter I'm aware of: CAE Ultra shifter or the IRP shifter. Both are of similar design and entirely replace the factory setup unlike every other shifter out there - no rubber bushings anywhere in them. Direct, solid connections with ZERO play and one of the most satisfying shifting feel you'll ever get. Plus you get short throw with longer lever that puts the shifter at a more ideal height than most factory shifters. Of course with these you are talking $$$$...especially for the CAE Ultra shifter.

Shorter throw+Longer lever=?

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Shorter throw+Longer lever=?

Shorter throw than stock even with the longer lever...

[jc7993]

What would be the best shifter that is not like the IRP/CAE? Looking for something that is like stock form but have shorter throw and no rattle. There were other options like the TRD quick shifter but there were reviews where you need to go back and check on it every once in a while because it came come loose which is something that I definitely do not want to do and waste my time on. The FT86SF short shifter option has a rattling noise that people says it has in higher rpm/gears. So it seems like there are always some kind of drawbacks...

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[Joveen]

Raceseng makes an adapter that connects the reverse lockout to make it longer.

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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

Shorter throw than stock even with the longer lever...

OK, I watched the movie.

My question still is, why would anyone want shorter throws?




humfrz

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by jc7993

What would be the best shifter that is not like the IRP/CAE? Looking for something that is like stock form but have shorter throw and no rattle. There were other options like the TRD quick shifter but there were reviews where you need to go back and check on it every once in a while because it came come loose which is something that I definitely do not want to do and waste my time on. The FT86SF short shifter option has a rattling noise that people says it has in higher rpm/gears. So it seems like there are always some kind of drawbacks...

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Well they are designed for racing use... you have to decide on if you want best shifter feel or no added noise but stockish feel. The IRP / CAE feel nothing like stock, everything else is a varation of stockish feel.

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by humfrz

OK, I watched the movie.

My question still is, why would anyone want shorter throws?




humfrz

Depends on the vehicle... but can shift quicker or same with less effort on the IRP /CAE. Quicker can be a problem though as they can easily shift too fast for the synchros. The stock FR-S throw is fine to me, but the IRP / CAE appeal to me is more about their shift feel and absolute precession with ZERO slop unlike traditional short shifters. Like an HK semiauto pistol versus a Ruger...racking the slides are two very different experiences. German engineers seem to know something about the feel of precision...and it feels just right.

Now on my Nissan Frontier I absolutely want the PRG Racing short throw shifter....way too much movement of entire arm required for stock, a little too much reach for the forward gears - ain't no shifting with the wrist movement.

[why?]

Originally Posted by humfrz

OK, I watched the movie.

My question still is, why would anyone want shorter throws?




humfrz

because the quicker the shifts the less time your hand is off the wheel. And the CAE is even better because the shifter is closer to the steering wheel, so you spend even less time shifting. Plus it justs feels better, and there is no way to screw up or miss shift. Look at how little the shifter actually moves.

Go to 1:15 or so

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by why?

because the quicker the shifts the less time your hand is off the wheel. And the CAE is even better because the shifter is closer to the steering wheel, so you spend even less time shifting. Plus it justs feels better, and there is no way to screw up or miss shift. Look at how little the shifter actually moves.

Go to 1:15 or so

OK, so, if one would like less time off the steering wheel, it would seem that an AT with paddle shifters would be even better -

As far as feeling better, maybe that's because many new drivers are used to the feel of the toggle things on game controllers? -

As far as miss-shifting, it would seem to me that the closer the shift positions are the less margin of error there is, thus more of a chance of miss shifting. Hell, in my old 1937 Chev pickup with a floorboard shifter, second gear was anywhere from pointing the shifter towards the speedometer all the way over to the glovebox -




humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by why?

because the quicker the shifts the less time your hand is off the wheel. And the CAE is even better because the shifter is closer to the steering wheel, so you spend even less time shifting. Plus it justs feels better, and there is no way to screw up or miss shift. Look at how little the shifter actually moves.

Go to 1:15 or so

Quicker shifting is a myth. The shift speed is limited by the time it takes for the syncro to slow down or speed up the input side of the gearbox. A short-throw lever only decreases the force the operator applies to the syncro clutches.

They feel cooler. That's all.