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d1ck · 07-24-2012, 03:44 PM

Power gains from lightened engine parts are dubious due to the nature of a vehicle's use. It has to do with Newton's first law
"Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it."
So, for example you could have a 20hp gain while in first gear, going down a hill, but a 0.1hp gain while going uphill in 6th gear. It depends entirely on the angular acceleration of the rotating assembly which can be affected very easily by external forces on the vehicle.

Dave-ROR · 07-24-2012, 04:12 PM

Guys: Let's be clear, any reference to Vivid's previous business transactions and the problems they've experienced will be removed.

Let's stay on topic. We are giving them enough rope, whether or not they hang themselves with it will be determined by their future posts/evidence.

TouchMyHonda · 07-24-2012, 04:38 PM

In for answers.

Silverdub · 07-24-2012, 09:59 PM

Any news on the flywheel weight? I am onterested on a lighter flywheel!

TSLRich · 07-24-2012, 10:31 PM

I'm just confused why all of this was posted again... it appears to be the exact same info that is in the exhaust thread....

which makes it seem like they are just trying to post their name as many times as possible in the forum.

ahausheer · 07-25-2012, 11:48 AM

I would like to ask the moderators to ban vivid.

bakerr6 · 07-25-2012, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer

I would like to ask the moderators to ban vivid.

that's not goign to happen. They have not been proven to be lying, so there is no grounds. We will have this sorted once an independent dyno can be done with their products

industrial · 07-25-2012, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakerr6

that's not goign to happen. They have not been proven to be lying, so there is no grounds. We will have this sorted once an independent dyno can be done with their products

Yeah no lies, just a lack of information, communication and some honest mistakes.

bakerr6 · 07-25-2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by industrial

Yeah no lies, just a lack of information, communication and some honest mistakes.

I'm not the type to judge before the facts have been shown, but I can tell you for sure that there is no way to prove whether their business practices are honest or not, based on the info. we have provided so far.

Hawaiian · 07-25-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakerr6

I'm not the type to judge before the facts have been shown, but I can tell you for sure that there is no way to prove whether their business practices are honest or not, based on the info. we have provided so far.

Well, lets see, right off the bat there was the claim that all of these gains were strictly from the exhaust, nothing else. There was no mention of a lightened flywheel or crank pulley.

Then there is the fact that instead of answering simple questions vivid starts trying to deflect the focus by playing the victim, but still avoiding up front answers.

It just looks like some general shadyness, and a lack of transparency. I for one am done with vivid and will no be buying one of these parts.

Z0rr0 · 07-25-2012, 02:48 PM

aparrently a lot of you guys aren't former Subaru owners. you'd know vivid if you were.

drifter · 07-25-2012, 02:54 PM

Not to worry all, someone has already purchased the AP exhaust system, (crank pulley from someone else) and has agreed to post independent results, which should give a general assessment of their performance claims. Perhaps we should all chill untill we hear back from "whiteout".

bakerr6 · 07-25-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Well, lets see, right off the bat there was the claim that all of these gains were strictly from the exhaust, nothing else. There was no mention of a lightened flywheel or crank pulley.

Then there is the fact that instead of answering simple questions vivid starts trying to deflect the focus by playing the victim, but still avoiding up front answers.

It just looks like some general shadyness, and a lack of transparency. I for one am done with vivid and will no be buying one of these parts.

I never said it didn't look shady, but I still base my opinions off facts, not assumptions

xjohnx · 07-25-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z0rr0

aparrently a lot of you guys aren't former Subaru owners. you'd know vivid if you were.

We're not allowed to talk about that. They've been given a "fresh start".

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d1ck Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Black 2013 FRS Location: Newfoundland Posts: 249 Thanks: 31 Thanked 83 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Power gains from lightened engine parts are dubious due to the nature of a vehicle's use. It has to do with Newton's first law "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." So, for example you could have a 20hp gain while in first gear, going down a hill, but a 0.1hp gain while going uphill in 6th gear. It depends entirely on the angular acceleration of the rotating assembly which can be affected very easily by external forces on the vehicle.

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TSLRich Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: FJ Cruiser Location: NJ Posts: 85 Thanks: 13 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm just confused why all of this was posted again... it appears to be the exact same info that is in the exhaust thread.... which makes it seem like they are just trying to post their name as many times as possible in the forum.

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