Agency Power Crank Pulley / Clutch Masters Flywheel

[ahausheer]

So this is around 230 to the wheels without a tune at about 7,300 rpm? 115 hp per liter @ 7,300 rpm? Sounds to good to be true. Intrigued.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by ahausheer

So this is around 230 to the wheels without a tune at about 7,300 rpm? 115 hp per liter @ 7,300 rpm? Sounds to good to be true. Intrigued.

You mean 230 to the flywheel? The 194 is to the wheels..

[dabocx]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Agency Power Crank Pulley / Clutch Masters Flywheel

• Run#1 153whp 125wtq
• Run#2 180whp 143wtq
• Run#3 194whp 150wtq

Run#1 Was a BASE run. Bone stock!

Run#2 Was with the Flywheel and Crank Pulley.

Run#3 Was with Flywheel, Crank Pulley, Header, Crossover pipe, Catback exhaust system.

So adding the Header/Crossover pipe/ Catback only gained you 14hp and 7tq?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by dabocx

So adding the Header/Crossover pipe/ Catback only gained you 14hp and 7tq?

Looking back at the original thread, it seems the Dyno posted there included all of the components on this new thread (i. e. full exhaust, LW pulley and flywheel).

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

Looking back at the original thread, it seems the Dyno posted there included all of the components on this new thread (i. e. full exhaust, LW pulley and flywheel).

Exactly, we were all right to be skeptical i wonder how many orders they got without posting full information.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Calum

Palm, face. Face, palm. Ah, I see you've already met.

Fuck me. How do you expect to have any creditably if you post a light weight part but don't show the weight difference?

Not even sure where to start with this.

Originally Posted by fenton

The runs are two months apart so that could be some of the issue.

Car sat apart pretty much for the whole time. Car was run for 400 miles and then broken in on the dyno. At that time it made 154whp. Its only had a few miles put on it since. It broke in long ago.

Originally Posted by fenton

stock at 153 is 23percent loss considering a perfect engine and mustang dyno.

Clutch flywheel and pulley result in 10 percent loss yes but i think alot is going to have to do with the car both breaking in and dyno conditions between the two months/calibration.

Just my 2 cents though

See above.

Originally Posted by dabocx

So adding the Header/Crossover pipe/ Catback only gained you 14hp and 7tq?

There is a exhaust thread. Please post in there.

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

Looking back at the original thread, it seems the Dyno posted there included all of the components on this new thread (i. e. full exhaust, LW pulley and flywheel).

Ah and so it was corrected. People are wrong once in a bit.

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

Exactly, we were all right to be skeptical i wonder how many orders they got without posting full information.

Once again bro. Take your B.S. and move on. Every time there is a Vivid post you bring nothing to the thread but negative. Its getting old and people are really getting tired of it.
And No systems where sold at least thru me and this website. So have no worries.

Now here is the exhaust thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12553
Please use it. This thread is for the pulley and Flywheel.

[dabocx]

Looking forward to see what you all do with the intake.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Ah and so it was corrected. People are wrong once in a bit.

No worries, just thinking out loud. My bad for posting this discussion here. I will now go to the exhaust thread.

[AkaJabari]

Originally Posted by fenton

stock at 153 is 23percent loss considering a perfect engine and mustang dyno.

Clutch flywheel and pulley result in 10 percent loss yes but i think alot is going to have to do with the car both breaking in and dyno conditions between the two months/calibration.

Just my 2 cents though

What I'm saying is that a 14% recuperation in drivetrain loss from a flywheel and a lightened pulley is not mechanically possible. Maybe if the pulley in question was physically smaller in diameter and underdriving accessories. Maybe if you removed the A/C unit and were running a Carbon Fiber driveshaft as well. None of these things are happening on the car tested.

What the OP is implying from his post is that the products he will sell you will indeed net a 15% gain in HP across the entire powerband. There are no disclaimers in the OPs post that these pulls were done months apart. The car was not rebaselined before the parts were installed to give you a legitament sense of what power gains you could expect for these parts, if any. What the OP is selling you is snake oil.

What the mods WILL do are the following:

A lightened flywheel reduces the rotational mass of the engine. Same as a lightened crankpulley. With these mods, the engine will rev up and down the RPM range quicker. The net result is the car behaving like it's ~200 lbs lighter in 1st gear. Each gear thereafter the weight loss is exponentially lessened. It may net you 1-2 HP. MAYBE.

This is all I have to say about these claims. There will be no more posts from me on this vendor.

[Dimman]

^ Lightened rotating mass will show gains on acceleration runs. But not on steady state loading. Plus, compared to wheels, since they are rotating at engine speed they have a stronger effect.

[Sportsguy83]

Maybe the runs are in first gear?

[Mr. Sociable]

Originally Posted by AkaJabari

What I'm saying is that a 14% recuperation in drivetrain loss from a flywheel and a lightened pulley is not mechanically possible.

What the OP is implying from his post is that the products he will sell you will indeed net a 15% gain in HP across the entire powerband. There are no disclaimers in the OPs post that these pulls were done months apart. The car was not rebaselined before the parts were installed to give you a legitament sense of what power gains you could expect for these parts, if any. What the OP is selling you is snake oil.

QFT. All I've seen are dishonest, misleading graphs with zero relation to what physics or other tuners are finding. Until I see Vivid or someone else post independently dyno'd results including baseline runs beforehand, I refuse to believe that every part they make is getting power that is 10-15whp more than every other mfg out there, including well known and respected companies.

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Originally Posted by AkaJabari

There will be no more posts from me on this vendor.

And I am thanking you for no more posts by you.

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Not even sure where to start with this.



Car sat apart pretty much for the whole time. Car was run for 400 miles and then broken in on the dyno. At that time it made 154whp. Its only had a few miles put on it since. It broke in long ago.



See above.



There is a exhaust thread. Please post in there.



Ah and so it was corrected. People are wrong once in a bit.



Once again bro. Take your B.S. and move on. Every time there is a Vivid post you bring nothing to the thread but negative. Its getting old and people are really getting tired of it.
And No systems where sold at least thru me and this website. So have no worries.

Now here is the exhaust thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12553
Please use it. This thread is for the pulley and Flywheel.

I'll take my BS and my hard earned dollars elsewhere don't worry won't see anything else from me either.