Drifting - in Auto?

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by matt30

Videos or it didn't happen.

Unless you initiated the drift with the handbrake or lift-off oversteer (which would require a high rate of speed) you're not doing a 3-2 downshift mid-drift. It doesn't even make sense.

How are you going to downshift when your rear wheels have broken traction and you are at or near readline? Real life doesn't work like your video games. Most people that know what they're doing downshift before the corner entry or just slightly afterward.

Lol. You are so stupid.

There are so many other ways to initiate a drift. Despite what you may think, Drift Bible and Initial D doesn't have the answer to everything. WHY would you downshift AFTER the corner exit is my question. At the corner exit, you are accelerating. It makes no sense to slow down, negotiate a corner, and then downshift afterwards when you're driving down a straight. You're trying to correct me, but I think you should look at your sources or talk to however the hell is telling you these things.

Next, just because you're in third gear, does not mean you're at redline or just below it. I would be in 3rd gear in my car doing about 60ish and be sitting at about 4-4.5k with the throttle PINNED to the floor. Rev limiter isn't until after 7k. Transition and using the ebrake and/or left foot brake to bleed off speed and while doing so, go in to 2nd gear. At that point, I'm damn near at the redline but I've also decreased speed by a pretty good amount. I'm not the only person who uses this method when drifting.

Here's my buddy Forrest qualifying at D1 USA. 3rd gear clutch kick entry at approx. 70mph. Then you slow down to transition to a left handed corner. While doing so, he pulls the ebrake to slow down, adjust and extend his line, and HOLY SHIT, he DOWNSHIFTS from 3rd to 2nd. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE RIGHT??!! Go watch an in-car video from a D1/Formula D event at Irwindale. 3rd or 4th gear initiation on the bank, transition, then sidebrake towards the wall and DOWNSHIFT.

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Tell me what he did isn't proper technique and you'll look even more stupid seeing he finished 3rd overall for the series and that was after breaking one event and not even making it past top 16. I've learned most of what I know from driving with him and applied it to when I drove Prom-Am. So, I would say you stop taking what you see in Initial D and stop trying to tell me that what I'm saying doesn't make sense..

I've been doing this quite a bit longer than you have, I'm sure.

Let me know if you have anymore questions and I'll be glad to educate you

Straight ignorance, I swear

[matt30]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Lol. You are so stupid.

There are so many other ways to initiate a drift. Despite what you may think, Drift Bible and Initial D doesn't have the answer to everything. WHY would you downshift AFTER the corner exit is my question. At the corner exit, you are accelerating. It makes no sense to slow down, negotiate a corner, and then downshift afterwards when you're driving down a straight. You're trying to correct me, but I think you should look at your sources or talk to however the hell is telling you these things.

Next, just because you're in third gear, does not mean you're at redline or just below it. I would be in 3rd gear in my car doing about 60ish and be sitting at about 4-4.5k with the throttle PINNED to the floor. Rev limiter isn't until after 7k. Transition and using the ebrake and/or left foot brake to bleed off speed and while doing so, go in to 2nd gear. At that point, I'm damn near at the redline but I've also decreased speed by a pretty good amount. I'm not the only person who uses this method when drifting.

Here's my buddy Forrest qualifying at D1 USA. 3rd gear clutch kick entry at approx. 70mph. Then you slow down to transition to a left handed corner. While doing so, he pulls the ebrake to slow down, adjust and extend his line, and HOLY SHIT, he DOWNSHIFTS from 3rd to 2nd. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE RIGHT??!! Go watch an in-car video from a D1/Formula D event at Irwindale. 3rd or 4th gear initiation on the bank, transition, then sidebrake towards the wall and DOWNSHIFT.

Tell me what he did isn't proper technique and you'll look even more stupid seeing he finished 3rd overall for the series and that was after breaking one event and not even making it past top 16. I've learned most of what I know from driving with him and applied it to when I drove Prom-Am. So, I would say you stop taking what you see in Initial D and stop trying to tell me that what I'm saying doesn't make sense..

I've been doing this quite a bit longer than you have, I'm sure.

Let me know if you have anymore questions and I'll be glad to educate you

Straight ignorance, I swear

I don't know what's more funny (you tell me) - the fact that you may have driven pro-am and still have no idea what the difference is between apex and turn in, or the fact that you don't know what's happening in your "buddies" video. I bet he comes out to OK all the time to give you pointers, huh?

He's coming out of a right hand corner (where he used the handbrake once to fix his line and didn't 3-2 downshift) then he's transitioning to a left hand corner, isn't in the power band, so he uses the handbrake to innate the drift (most likely on a decreasing radius turn) and with the clutch still in downshifts.


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How many mid drift downshifts did you count?

I don't even know why I bothered to reply, this thread has already gone derp level 10.

[TylerLieberman]

Your post had nothing to do with turn in/apex. It was you trying to correct me saying you cant downshift while drifting. You didnt even explain why you would downshift after a corner...anxious to hear that bs.

Im well aware of the difference. your videos prove nothing.

I knew this would happen with this car. People automatically assume they know everything about drifting or think theyre some pro instructor. Then they wreck. Barely been a month and theres already numerous examples.

say or think what you want.

[whtchocla7e]

Why would you downshift while in a drift? What does it accomplish other than upsetting the balanse?

[driftartist]

I can understand down shifting right before the corner to get into the proper powerband, but during a drift? Mid turn? Im not familiar.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by matt30

The problems with autos is they tend to upshift when the engine get close to redline. When that happens the torque nessisary to keep the wheels loose is lost and you regain traction.

I think in padle shift mode the car won't upshift without your input.

So drifting an auto shouldn't be much differnt than doing in in a MT. I.e. lots of throttle and steering input, enough rpm overhead to sustian the drift, and (if none of that is working) higher speeds and brake application (and/or handbrake).

You forget the auto in our cars don't shift unless we tell them too, we can bounce of the limiter all day

[Raven86]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

You forget the auto in our cars don't shift unless we tell them too, we can bounce of the limiter all day

i think your misreading what he said. He mentioned that in manual mode it wont shift without input from the driver so it should be similar to drifting in MT.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Raven86

i think your misreading what he said. He mentioned that in manual mode it wont shift without input from the driver so it should be similar to drifting in MT.

I did xD my bad, go drift the auto, its easy, I do it on a daily basis, no mad drift at like 80 but at 20 under bridges where you can uturn without going through any lights

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

Why would you downshift while in a drift? What does it accomplish other than upsetting the balanse?

I gave reasoning to it already in a previous post

[ill86]

Yes, it can be done for the purpose (event) you describe. Your gear selection can still be made for the course. The only thing you cannot do, as described above, is clutch kick. You can still initiate via ebrake, weight transfer or throttle. Just keep it in flappy paddle mode so it doesn't upshift.

Have fun and good luck!

[driftartist]

this is really awesome. i am so excited to know we have this many d1gp champions on this very forum! yessssss!

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by driftartist

this is really awesome. i am so excited to know we have this many d1gp champions on this very forum! yessssss!

There's an expert apparently in every topic ever to exist in this forum

[driftartist]

very true good sir. i just wish people wouldnt get so boasty or angry though...

[SpeedR]

Originally Posted by empower-auto

Can someone pro just come in here and squash this dream? A low power automatic is horrific for drifting. End of story.

I am a performance driving instructor for BMW and Porsche. I am defiantly NOT a pro drifter, but I have no problem drifting my auto FR-S. As a matter of fact the FR-S is significantly easier to drift than my Supra with 4X the HP.