326 power coilovers

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Brzxton

They’re too expensive for me atm and i just dont want to deal with all the problems ive heard come with bags

Not sure slamming on no travel high rate is going to be without more problems. Its just deferred cost. And maybe not deferred long.

How much drop are you after?

[Brzxton]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

A lot of people bought this car because it handles well, so doing these modifications are counter to their goals. Function > form imo, good luck.

I feel ya. I did all the performance mods i wanted already (jrsc, flexfuel, full exhaust) and wanted to do some aesthetic stuff and personally love how wearelikewise and honja did their cars. My goal is to have both function and form and not just make a show car, hense why i dont want to get bags.

[Brzxton]

Originally Posted by cjd

Not sure slamming on no travel high rate is going to be without more problems. Its just deferred cost. And maybe not deferred long.

How much drop are you after?

Im looking to tuck the tires in the fender. Reason i want to go coils instead of bags is because i still want to be able to go to the track if i want. And the 326 coils have really stiff springs allowing for more low lol.

[churchx]

Brzxtron: Extreme drop is form only. Some hacking around may slightly reduce ill effects but not to get rid of them, so imho just forget about function bit. If you have budget (seeing bags mentioned) i highly advise limiting wish for insane lowering, instead spending that money for getting higher class/quality coilovers. If you still prioritize looks/form of extreme lowering more then compromised function/practicality/comfort/handling/performance, it's your choice you vote for with wallet, but don't expect miracles from something to fix issues/limitations extreme drop brings.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Brzxton

Reason i want to go coils instead of bags is because i still want to be able to go to the track if i want. And the 326 coils have really stiff springs allowing for more low lol.

See my sig under my name?
My understanding (which is exceptionally limited) of stance suspension is they have insanely high spring rates. Like in the region of 20k-50k spring rates on BRZ/FRS. I don't know if this is functional ; I suspect it is part of the stance scene. The rear suspension is travel limited as it is which leads to another set of trade-offs.
But you will not be able to track with these sort rates.
I make no judgement but you will have to choose which way you want to go or deal with a huge compromise.

Oh look, there's that word again.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Brzxton

Im looking to tuck the tires in the fender. Reason i want to go coils instead of bags is because i still want to be able to go to the track if i want. And the 326 coils have really stiff springs allowing for more low lol.

Get a good track setup with 35mm and forget full tuck. That's the only real compromise you can get, unless bags are reasonable on a track. I ran Tein SRC for a couple years and still had to avoid certain streets and stuff or I'd scrape... But that's money too.

Nothing cheap that'll go lower is worth a penny at the track and may lead to difficulty controlling the vehicle. YMMV.

A proper track build can do with well at shows and look pretty amazing. I think tuck looks horrid, so I'm probably not a fair judge here, but...

[strat61caster]

idk this car handled pretty well, it was on Megans when this picture was taken iirc, was basically the 2nd fastest STX prepped 86 on the West Coast last year :P

[cjd]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

idk this car handled pretty well, it was on Megans when this picture was taken iirc, was basically the 2nd fastest STX prepped 86 on the West Coast last year :P

That looks only slightly lower than I was on the Teins, maybe not at all (looks like different offset on the wheels, the shadow makes it hard to tell, but it's not a hard tuck regardless). Is that a cheap off-the-shelf coilover setup though? I thought they were customized, and not quite as cheap...

At any rate, I can confirm that handling was really good when traction was available on the SRC, 10/12k (f/r) despite very little droop travel. So you can go pretty low with a well matched setup.

Dropping spring rates and going a little bit higher significantly changed how the car handles on one of the worse surfaces I typically run, in a good way. I may still have been slower overall, but who knows exactly what caused that... I may just be getting faster at about the same rate my competitors are.

I can't see 20k+ rates doing well unless you're into aero that needs that much spring. Especially if it goes with being even lower.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by cjd

Is that a cheap off-the-shelf coilover setup though? I thought they were customized, and not quite as cheap...

The travel is what drives issues, those dampers have adequate travel to run that low, you're right, the spring rates and damper valvings were custom, I can only speculate on spring rate used but I'd be surprised if it was 10k+

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=36
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=39

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Brzxton

Im looking to tuck the tires in the fender. Reason i want to go coils instead of bags is because i still want to be able to go to the track if i want. And the 326 coils have really stiff springs allowing for more low lol.

That low is going to handle like garbage, and super stiff springs will make it even worse (without significant aero). You need suspension travel for mechanical grip (street or track), and if you're that slammed on 20k+ springs you're not going to have enough travel for any useful grip.

[x808drifter]

Still think this thread needs to be stickied.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67345

Wanna slam your car?
Cheaply?
Buy some $800-$1500 coils and slam it.
Will ride like crap and you'll sooner than later break something.

Slam but actually DO IT RIGHT?
Bags plus all the extra stuff like control arms diff spacers/risers ect that you will need to keep the car semi reliable.
Coils are also an option but will also need more work to keep the car semi functional.
Or like the above way, just plan on repairing stuff all the time.

My point being, slamming a car properly is way more involved and expensive than just adding some crappy coilovers and lowering them as much as possible.

P.S. throw any ideas about tracking the car out the window if you wanna be herrafrush.
Or don't come to think of it.

[Brzxton]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

Still think this thread needs to be stickied.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67345

Wanna slam your car?
Cheaply?
Buy some $800-$1500 coils and slam it.
Will ride like crap and you'll sooner than later break something.

Slam but actually DO IT RIGHT?
Bags plus all the extra stuff like control arms diff spacers/risers ect that you will need to keep the car semi reliable.
Coils are also an option but will also need more work to keep the car semi functional.
Or like the above way, just plan on repairing stuff all the time.

My point being, slamming a car properly is way more involved and expensive than just adding some crappy coilovers and lowering them as much as possible.

P.S. throw any ideas about tracking the car out the window if you wanna be herrafrush.
Or don't come to think of it.

Yea idk why i said maybe track it because i honestly will never track my brz. I meant to say hoon around lol but thanks for the input.

[churchx]

Brzxton: slamming will not just impact track performance. But also daily driving comfort. So even if you'll never go to track, unless you drive only on japanese roads, imho your spine will be thankful for not doing unreasonable modding choices . There is also such thing as "GF/significant other" test . Speedbumps and steep driveways are also less attributable to race tracks.
And imho you should rethink if never going to track. It's LOT of fun/enjoyment.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by churchx

It's LOT of fun/enjoyment.

This.

Even with bog standard original suspension you can have fun on a track. Probably not so much with a slammed car.