least grippy tires for drifting?

[churchx]

OND: if it's in 2nd gear and if one adds some toe-out, it's easier to do long power slides with stock NA power. Of course if there had been more power (eg. some form of forced induction) i'd advise to not have toe-out hacks, for more stability/control. At 3rd stock power imho is inadequate for long slides.
Hmm, though if car is daily drive too, then i wouldn't set toe-out in alignment either.

[x808drifter]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

1: Manji, not monji

2: Nankang, nexen, federal, achilles, etc all have tires that are sufficient. If you're having problems spinning the tires, up tire pressure, alter suspension/alignment, be more aggressive, etc.

3: There's zero reason to run R comps up front on this car. If anything, that's having more of a negative impact than a positive one.

4: Don't understand what's being said between sliding vs drifting. Your statements don't really make any sense.

5: You have PBM knuckles with R comps up front and 60psi stock sized tires in the rear on stock power. If you can't see the issue with this setup, then there are bigger issues to address.

6: You seem to not understand the concept between grip and traction. The fact you think that you don't really need any rear end grip because you're not running tandem is misguided.

7: I don't know what it means for an ebrake to "misfire". Please explain. Furthermore, if you're running 60psi in stock like rear tires, there's zero reason to run a hydraulic handbrake. Don't believe everything TJ Hunt tells you.

8: Having ABS fuse pulled and doing the pedal dance is redundant. If you pull the fuse, everything, including ABS is deactivated. If you do that and are doing the pedal dance afterwards, you're just making it look like you have tourettes in the car doing motions that are literally doing nothing.

9: Post videos of you driving, including in car. Also include suspension/alignment and wheel/tire setup. I can probably help direct your attention on what's causing issues.

10: Based on what I'm reading, a lot of these issues just sound like setup and driver error.

EDIT: I looked at your first post and saw that you're running UEL headers and E85. There's zero issue as to why you should be having so much of an issue. I had no problems with 4th gear initiations on stock power. When I added EL headers (I stayed on 91 octane) it became even easier. Something isn't adding up.

TY for literally pointing out everything I was going to.

[QTR FMS]

Originally Posted by mav1178

That's your problem right there.

Sorry, you're not good at drifting if you need R-comps in the front.

i didnt jump to r-comp immediately and i had some understear issues on hard comp tire and r-comp fix the understear so now its eaiser to power over into a turn.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by QTR FMS

i didnt jump to r-comp immediately and i had some understear issues on hard comp tire and r-comp fix the understear so now its eaiser to power over into a turn.

You're not seeing my point:

If you are having issues sliding this car without the need for R-compound tires in the front, you're doing it completely wrong.

[TylerLieberman]

I'm just gonna sit here and wait for video footage and info on setup...

[QTR FMS]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

1: Manji, not monji

english is my second language so if you are gonna look for mistakes you will find alot so i dont know what to tell if you look at my spell and grammar and judge on my driving skill based on spelling.

2: Nankang, nexen, federal, achilles, etc all have tires that are sufficient. If you're having problems spinning the tires, up tire pressure, alter suspension/alignment, be more aggressive, etc.

they are sufficient true i agree with you 100% and i have no problem with this setup but the car does not have lots of torque and im trying to compensate for lack of torque with less grip tire my goal is just to have fun nothing else.

3: There's zero reason to run R comps up front on this car. If anything, that's having more of a negative impact than a positive one.

as i said it made it easier to slide and understeer more turn in grip,less aggressive entree may not be ideal but it works with my style.
and its federal r-sr nothing expensive.

4: Don't understand what's being said between sliding vs drifting. Your statements don't really make any sense.

i consider drifting when the car slide using throttle input not steering, with na frs you need to add more angle every time the engine want to bog down.
my definition of drifting is different than yours.
just because someone is kicking the rear end from a turn to the next it doesnt mean its drifting to me.

5: You have PBM knuckles with R comps up front and 60psi stock sized tires in the rear on stock power. If you can't see the issue with this setup, then there are bigger issues to address.
i know the issue and im trying to compensate for this setup and make it more interesting, so far i have no issue with this setup it works perfectly.

6: You seem to not understand the concept between grip and traction. The fact you think that you don't really need any rear end grip because you're not running tandem is misguided.

understand it in term of physic i dont really but concept i do know the difference im not saying i dont need grip because i dont need it unless im tandeming im just saying i dont want it i have more fun drifting on the cords of the tire than the rubber,and when its raining its just like how i want to be drifting on the track, more grip mean more speed to my knowledge and i want to drift at slower speed with more angle, i cant spray water at the track.

7: I don't know what it means for an ebrake to "misfire". Please explain. Furthermore, if you're running 60psi in stock like rear tires, there's zero reason to run a hydraulic handbrake. Don't believe everything TJ Hunt tells you.

i was stating the only issues i had my engine misfired 3 times at the track but found the issue and fixed it sorry if i wasnt clear.

lmao i usually fun of what tj does , and the only reason i mentioned him is because someone said not to buy expensive wheels when i already use stock wheels for drifting and his expensive wheel didnt handle slight drop when stock wheel does with no problem and i never said i want to install hydro on my daily the stock ebrake is more than sufficient i have been to atleast 15 drift event and i have no issue with it at all, someone else recommended it but i said im not gonna install it again and again.

8: Having ABS fuse pulled and doing the pedal dance is redundant. If you pull the fuse, everything, including ABS is deactivated. If you do that and are doing the pedal dance afterwards, you're just making it look like you have tourettes in the car doing motions that are literally doing nothing.

i wasnt sure because on the street i had no loss of traction at all i wasnt sure if the ecu still cuts power or if the streets of california is that grippy,

i have asked for an answer on this forum before no one answered my question so i still do the pedal dance because it doesnt take 5 second and just incase something still works using the second abs fuse.

9: Post videos of you driving, including in car. Also include suspension/alignment and wheel/tire setup. I can probably help direct your attention on what's causing issues.

sure, im gonna post it privatly to any one who want to see it but i wont upload it to youtube or any other server until i get better quality video rather than snapchat videos.

10: Based on what I'm reading, a lot of these issues just sound like setup and driver error.
maybe i have tried different damper setting and found one that is great for my driving skills and it made my drifting smoother while still being aggressive.
0 toe front cant remove negetive camber (-4.5) because of pbm lower control arm. caster at 6 (maybe more depends on how accurate the alignment machine i heard the are not)anything more have to remove the front bumper

EDIT: I looked at your first post and saw that you're running UEL headers and E85. There's zero issue as to why you should be having so much of an issue. I had no problems with 4th gear initiations on stock power. When I added EL headers (I stayed on 91 octane) it became even easier. Something isn't adding up.

i have no issue drifting but i want more with less power thats the whole point of this topic ,and if you initiate at 4th gear what is your initiate speed ?can you iniate at 40 miles in 4 ? no thats because it 200hp not enough low end torque.
i just want to be able to upshift to 3 in this small track or be able to left foot brake for longer than 4 second before it wants to bog down.

[QTR FMS]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I'm just gonna sit here and wait for video footage and info on setup...

im going to class right now pm me your email to send you the videos

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by QTR FMS

i have no issue drifting but i want more with less power thats the whole point of this topic ,and if you initiate at 4th gear what is your initiate speed ?can you iniate at 40 miles in 4 ? no thats because it 200hp not enough low end torque.

4th gear entries were around 100mph. Keep it pinned and then downshifted to 3rd when needed. 40mph uses a lower gear, which is even easier... which just further proves my point.

Originally Posted by QTR FMS

i just want to be able to upshift to 3 in this small track or be able to left foot brake for longer than 4 second before it wants to bog down.

I mean... I could left foot brake with no issue in the chase position with mine. Grange is a small circuit. It's a kart track. Upshifting to 3rd can still easily be done though.

Originally Posted by QTR FMS

im going to class right now pm me your email to send you the videos

Done.

[churchx]

For less understeer i'd probably simply choose more camber front. Even though i hadn't targeted drifting, rather for HPDE/track, more neg. camber front (by 0.5deg) then rear (opposite to stock camber) made grip bias much more to my liking with way less understeer even on square tire setup of same tires on both ends.
IIRC for drift alignment same recipe can be used, except saw mentions of even more front negative camber for drifters.

[x808drifter]

Who the hell initiates at 40mph in 4th gear.
99% sure even the guys with ludicrous power in FD don't do that.

You're bogging the engine at that speed/gear.
You want low end you should have bought something with a V8.

Also, please post the videos in here.
Save time so everyone can see.

Honestly you sound like your new to drifting and have been learning bad habbits from watching Formula D, or even worse Ken Blocks "Gymkahana".

Real Gymkahana BTW is basically solo autocross with 180's and 360's thrown in, not that crap Ken Block does.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KvUH4a4E8"]GYMKHANA CIVIC TypeR FK2 Ebisu Circuit - YouTube[/ame]

If you haven't watched Drift Bible yet, do it.
If you have, good.

And like stated above, whats your alignment?
Also, how much smoke you make shouldn't even be a consideration for you at this point.

Holding good speed and a consistent line should be.

[QTR FMS]

Who the hell initiates at 40mph in 4th gear.
99% sure even the guys with ludicrous power in FD don't do that.
the whole point of this topic is to drift at low speed!!!........

You're bogging the engine at that speed/gear.
You want low end you should have bought something with a V8.

i already own a project car with a v8 this is just temporary to have more fun!...., im not trying to drift in 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, please post the videos in here.
Save time so everyone can see.

Honestly you sound like your new to drifting and have been learning bad habbits from watching Formula D, or even worse Ken Blocks "Gymkahana".

new to drifting as a driver yeah to the scene no ,new to driving no i have been offroading since i was 11 , lmao how did you even link this topic to ken block did any one even mentioned him????or did say i want to do gymkahana,what im trying to do no one in fd does!!!!!


Real Gymkahana BTW is basically solo autocross with 180's and 360's thrown in, not that crap Ken Block does.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KvUH4a4E8"]GYMKHANA CIVIC TypeR FK2 Ebisu Circuit - YouTube[/ame]

If you haven't watched Drift Bible yet, do it.
If you have, good.
i have watched it at age of 13 and been drifting since on simulator (i know its nothing like real life but i learn the techniques there first and made the learning curve alot eaiser)

And like stated above, whats your alignment?
the only setting i can use without rubbing, -4.5 camber 0front toe +6 caster , rear -0.9 toe(stock) camber -1.5 on one side and the other is -2.3 i dont know why rear camber is not equal its used car i dont know what happend i just ordered lower control arm to fix it.
the front lower control arm extended to 2.25'' or 2.5'' so all the camber is from the lca , 30mm spacer and +25 offset wheel and still sometime the wheel rubs

Also, how much smoke you make shouldn't even be a consideration for you at this point.
it shouldnt but it got boring.

Holding good speed and a consistent line should be
i can hold a good speed for this track and my line are consistent if i make any mistakes i always correct my line

[QTR FMS]

Originally Posted by churchx

For less understeer i'd probably simply choose more camber front. Even though i hadn't targeted drifting, rather for HPDE/track, more neg. camber front (by 0.5deg) then rear (opposite to stock camber) made grip bias much more to my liking with way less understeer even on square tire setup of same tires on both ends.
IIRC for drift alignment same recipe can be used, except saw mentions of even more front negative camber for drifters.

i agree and i tried drifting with stock camber -1.5 -3 -4.5 -6 ,and i can feel the difference i completely agree but the understeer issue i had was with my tire i tried different tire didnt made a huge difference until i switch to better tires.

[QTR FMS]

4th gear entries were around 100mph. Keep it pinned and then downshifted to 3rd when needed. 40mph uses a lower gear, which is even easier... which just further proves my point.

and it proves my point..... im not trying to drift at high speed and i think i can say 4th gear drift is impossible at adams because getting 60mph is hard not enough distance with n/a power.


I mean... I could left foot brake with no issue in the chase position with mine. Grange is a small circuit. It's a kart track. Upshifting to 3rd can still easily be done though.
i can too you can see me left foot brake in the video.
on grange i think 3rd can be used in few turn havent tried it though.

Done
check your email.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by QTR FMS

Done
check your email.

Just looked them over. There's one at night from in the car, but I can't see what you're doing. The rest are right next to a loud speaker playing music at the event so I can't even hear the car.

All of the clips are at Adam's, where you're initiating and then doing one transition.

I didn't see any problems there, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Let me ask this.. why are you left foot braking? Or what are you trying to achieve by doing it?

Also, what is your suspension/alignment setup?