Next Gen Gt 86 confirmed!

[PetrolioBenzina]

Too bad we can't use "mil-spec" when referring to the car. That would bring on the shitstorm.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by WWFT86

Jeez.. just thought I share some speculations from Japan... that's all. Ive never considered any of these fact.

Nobody is mad at you, it's the dumbass circular reporting of this story. Speculation reported as some sort of fact is all it ever is until the hardware is on the lot.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You can't call your car "JDM" anyway. It isn't. Unless you have a RHD one built for Japan to the Japanese requirements. Japanese cars sold in the US are USEM not "JDM". So many misuse that term!

Originally Posted by Overdrive

Well, JDM = Japanese Domestic Market, therefore anything outside of said market is very obviously not JDM, doesn't matter if it's the exact same car. Can't make it much simpler.

Look up JDM on Wikipedia, and you'll see such things as "these terms refer to Japanese-brand automobiles and parts designed to conform to Japanese regulations and to suit Japanese buyers", and "Japanese domestic market vehicles may differ greatly from the cars that Japanese manufacturers build for export and vehicles derived from the same platforms built in other countries". So, in more words than I stated initially, even the informative part of the Internet is saying U.S.-spec cars are not JDM. 'Kay?

Conversely, every Scion and Lexus in existence is a Toyota product, so you can most definitely refer to any Scion or Lexus as a Toyota, because it is. Toyota is the parent company, so every vehicle in every brand under its umbrella is still a Toyota.

The two situations are not similar enough to have an apples-to-apples comparison.

I get the "official" designation for JDM but that wasn't the point... My concern is partly over the image of the Supra replacement, this cheapens it a bit as it is far away from a Toyota/JDM product which is worse than the twins in my eyes especially considering Toyota/Subaru use many of the same suppliers and are at least assembled in Japan. The twins these are true JDM built cars that are adjusted for other markets whereas this Supra will be as close to JDM as the 124 Spider is Italian. Sorry folks but part of the excitement when it comes to the various brands especially from completely different regions is having the variety in chassis dynamics, engine power, technologies, etc..

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HKz

I get the "official" designation for JDM but that wasn't the point... My concern is partly over the image of the Supra replacement, this cheapens it a bit as it is far away from a Toyota/JDM product which is worse than the twins in my eyes especially considering Toyota/Subaru use many of the same suppliers and are at least assembled in Japan. The twins these are true JDM built cars that are adjusted for other markets whereas this Supra will be as close to JDM as the 124 Spider is Italian. Sorry folks but part of excitement when it comes to the various brands especially from completely different regions is having the variety in chassis dynamics, engine power, technologies, etc..

Truly original, regionally designed and built cars ended back in the late 80s. It is a world market now and the lines between all the manufacturers are blurred so much that they will never return to being truly independent entities. This also applies to the parts. Many of the parts made by Japanese named companies are not built in Japan anymore and never will be again.

[davmandave]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Too bad we can't use "mil-spec" when referring to the car. That would bring on the shitstorm.

Mil-spec? You mean overpriced, always broken, and costs a fortune in labor and parts to fix?

Side note, a Porsche could be considered mil-spec by these criteria.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Truly original, regionally designed and built cars ended back in the late 80s. It is a world market now and the lines between all the manufacturers are blurred so much that they will never return to being truly independent entities. This also applies to the parts. Many of the parts made by Japanese named companies are not built in Japan anymore and never will be again.

yes, you're right, it has been a global market for everyone and complete differentiation down to the sourced parts/materials no longer exists, but I think there are still enough differences between each region of cars to appreciate. You still hear reviewers often group and label cars from each region. Oh well, I would rather buy another GT86 and put a 2JZ in it than buy this rebadged BMW.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by HKz

I get the "official" designation for JDM but that wasn't the point... My concern is partly over the image of the Supra replacement, this cheapens it a bit as it is far away from a Toyota/JDM product which is worse than the twins in my eyes especially considering Toyota/Subaru use many of the same suppliers and are at least assembled in Japan. The twins these are true JDM built cars that are adjusted for other markets whereas this Supra will be as close to JDM as the 124 Spider is Italian. Sorry folks but part of the excitement when it comes to the various brands especially from completely different regions is having the variety in chassis dynamics, engine power, technologies, etc..

I don't really hear anyone complaining about Lotus being something lesser than it was because they chose to equip the Elise/Exige and Evora with Toyota powertrains. On the contrary, people tend to rave about the cars and howbl Lotus polished what is under the hood. It's still looked at as a UK product even though it technically hasn't been for a very long time. Even the last generatiom of the Esprit used the steering wheel from a Trans Am and the taillights from...get this...an AE86 Corolla. Lotus is like the poster child for part picking and collaborating with other companies the world over. It's led an interesting life, changed hands through many other larger car companies the last few decades, and people still love what they do.

Companies collaborating with each other is becoming more and more common, especially as they all take bits of ownership stake in each other. Ford owes a lot of what they have now to the handful of other marques they used to own (Volvo, Land Rover, Mazda, Jaguar, Aston-Martin) that came from all over the world, and from whom they poached a lot of engineering and technology. The original Ford Fiesta was even a rebadged Kia. Toyota taught Porsche how to make affordable cars so they wouldn't tank 25 years ago because they could only seem to sell a dozen variations of the 911. Porsche helped Subaru with making flat sixes, because why reinvent the wheel when someone already has one well made and is willing to share how they did it? Just because something isn't wholly developed in a nationalistic/jingoistic way doesn't make it lesser.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Hey, my "scion" is a subaru.

...with Toyota sprinkles.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

...with Toyota sprinkles.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Yes, this is how my brain works.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You can't call your car "JDM" anyway. It isn't. Unless you have a RHD one built for Japan to the Japanese requirements. Japanese cars sold in the US are USEM not "JDM". So many misuse that term!

USEM or LOSEM

[PetrolioBenzina]

GONAD? Globaly Outsourced North American Domestic?

[Braces]

Originally Posted by HKz

yes, you're right, it has been a global market for everyone and complete differentiation down to the sourced parts/materials no longer exists, but I think there are still enough differences between each region of cars to appreciate. You still hear reviewers often group and label cars from each region. Oh well, I would rather buy another GT86 and put a 2JZ in it than buy this rebadged BMW.

A hater before the car has even come out. That has to be some kind of record. LOL.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Braces

A hater before the car has even come out. That has to be some kind of record. LOL.

oh please as if every launch doesn't have doubters. I guess Honda and Nissan apparently care more about their halo cars

[Overdrive]

Nissan is owned by Renault (French, and don't believe the "alliance/partnership" terminology often used), so the reborn GT-R's roots don't really tie 100% with those that ended with the R34 Skyline GT-R.

Fiat-Chrysler partnered up with Mazda to use their chassis, and that's about it, to develop their 124 Spider. Suspension and powertrain in them are FCAs own recipe, so it's not just a skin deep difference between the ND MX-5 and the 124. If they didn't insist that Alfas only be built in Italy, we'd have an Alfa variant that'd put the MX-5 squarely in the middle of the trio, too.

Good things do come of development partnerships. We go the Twins out of it, and I'm sure that conversation went a lot like "build this car we designed for us, make us an engine for it, and we'll let you make and sell your own version". The "we own part of you" part went without saying.