Terrible Resale Value?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm pretty sure no one claimed that.

Ok

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Exactly. Why do people insist on trying to call the Corolla a sports car and drawing imaginary parallels with real performance vehicles? Why can't they just be happy with it being a dumpy econobox?

I think you missed the only point of my post.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I think you missed the only point of my post.

No, I got it. It was judo.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So the BRZ is now not a sports car?

Again with the distortion. In the context of comparing it to the AE86 they are both RWD, 2+2, coupes. If one is not considered a sports car then how is the other? A case could indeed be made that the AE is actually a hot hatch but that means we are breaking down the family trees into smaller and smaller subdivisions. If we want to play the subdivision game than the current 86 is a GT car. In fact it is even called such in some markets and trims. If we broaden the definition of sports car to include the hot hatch and GT cars then yes it is most certainly one. Since everybody likes to define the term in what most suits their ideals then saying anything is or is not a sports car can be a slippery slope.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

The 1984 MR2 was also RWD and was an actual sports car. Our cars have more in common with that vehicle than a dumpy econobox.

Yeah the MR2 and ZN6 are both sports cars, but the MR2 is a mid-engine, 2 seater without any kind of practicality at all. One of the biggest priorities for the ZN6's development was that it could handle the majority of daily driving situations.

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Exactly. Why do people insist on trying to call the Corolla a sports car and drawing imaginary parallels with real performance vehicles? Why can't they just be happy with it being a dumpy econobox?

I never implied the Corolla was a sports car though

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm pretty sure no one claimed that.

He just thinks he caught me in an error since my idea of sports car and his are not identical and therefore I am automatically wrong.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Exactly. Why do people insist on trying to call the Corolla a sports car and drawing imaginary parallels with real performance vehicles? Why can't they just be happy with it being a dumpy econobox?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck can we not consider it a duck?
I have no attachment to the thing nor have I ever seen one much less drive it but it still appears to have sports car driving written all over it. At least in the performance trims. The base model is every bit the Corolla econbox you say.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Again with the distortion. In the context of comparing it to the AE86 they are both RWD, 2+2, coupes. If one is not considered a sports car then how is the other? A case could indeed be made that the AE is actually a hot hatch but that means we are breaking down the family trees into smaller and smaller subdivisions. If we want to play the subdivision game than the current 86 is a GT car. In fact it is even called such in some markets and trims. If we broaden the definition of sports car to include the hot hatch and GT cars then yes it is most certainly one. Since everybody likes to define the term in what most suits their ideals then saying anything is or is not a sports car can be a slippery slope.

Not even the hot hatch argument holds since there was also a coupe version. Aside from a few decades, I'm not sure how different they really are. Live axle and inline engine are different but then what?

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

In the context of comparing it to the AE86 they are both RWD, 2+2, coupes. If one is not considered a sports car then how is the other?

One was designed from the ground up for performance. The other was designed from the ground up as a $7K econobox, then had parts swapped and added to provide additional trim levels. That they both ended up with similar superficial configurations is irrelevant. A bat will never be a bird, despite both having wings.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

He just thinks he caught me in an error since my idea of sports car and his are not identical and therefore I am automatically wrong.

You can call or define the AE86 whatever you like, but fact is that it had a great rally and drift heritage.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You can call or define the AE86 whatever you like, but fact is that it had a great rally and drift heritage.

And so has the BRZ. That is exactly my point.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

One was designed from the ground up for performance. The other was designed from the ground up as a $7K econobox, then had parts swapped and added to provide additional trim levels. That they both ended up with similar superficial configurations is irrelevant. A bat will never be a bird, despite both having wings.

Ah but both fly!


I really am totally on the fence on this and neither side has convinced me one way or the other.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Yeah the MR2 and ZN6 are both sports cars, but the MR2 is a mid-engine, 2 seater without any kind of practicality at all. ..

I don't know, I drove my '85 MR2 for 160,000 miles, many of them falling into the "practical" realm. Heck, I brought my oldest son home from the hospital in mine when he was born. Of course, rules were a bit different then.

[Dadhawk]

The only real connection I've ever seen between the AE86 and the current 86 was those made by Marketing. Yes, they have similarities, but the 86 shares those similarities with a lot of cars.

I can "see" a better relationship with the 2000GT. Honestly, from a pure "heritage" standpoint IMHO, it should have been build by Nissan as a retro 240Z