2017 Driven first impressions - Page 16 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

nikitopo · 10-02-2016, 05:50 PM

It is not exactly a Nissan Micra and it is a FWD car. Details here:

http://www.tradecarview.com/specific...mt_1.6/134234/

I provide FACTS, you are free to believe what you like.

JDM4E · 10-02-2016, 06:15 PM

That car they had in test is a limited edition, highly tuned, motor built, tweaked car on PilotSports3. Do that to BRZ and come again. And if you cannot see, that the Bolero lap is wet meanwile the BRZ lap is just rain then really there is no room for discussion here. BTW that Bolero is more expensive than BRZ, just to imagine what a super-mini it is. And while I am not sure if that limited car has AWD or not, they definitely have that option on "standard" cars.

Mr.Impreza · 10-02-2016, 06:19 PM

You have to remember that our cars come with very pathetic street tires that are meant more for non-aggressive street driving. Toyota/Subaru just used the tires to showcase and advertise the playful/drifting nature of the car.

If you put on a set of Potenza S-04 Pole position the times will improve a lot.

An even more bigger improvement would be the Advan AD08R! If those came on our cars from the factory the lap times would be drastically improved!

Iceman · 10-03-2016, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM4E

That car they had in test is a limited edition, highly tuned, motor built, tweaked car on PilotSports3. Do that to BRZ and come again. And if you cannot see, that the Bolero lap is wet meanwile the BRZ lap is just rain then really there is no room for discussion here. BTW that Bolero is more expensive than BRZ, just to imagine what a super-mini it is. And while I am not sure if that limited car has AWD or not, they definitely have that option on "standard" cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

You have to remember that our cars come with very pathetic street tires that are meant more for non-aggressive street driving. Toyota/Subaru just used the tires to showcase and advertise the playful/drifting nature of the car.

If you put on a set of Potenza S-04 Pole position the times will improve a lot.

An even more bigger improvement would be the Advan AD08R! If those came on our cars from the factory the lap times would be drastically improved!

+1000.

It's all due to the tires, the Primacy's are just awful, specially in those conditions. The PS3's on the Bolero on the other hand are superb on wet conditions.

nikitopo · 10-03-2016, 05:34 AM

Such comparisons are stock over stock. It doesn't make sense to start discussing what would happen if we had different tires, if the track was not wet, if we had a turbo and so on. The updated model is what it is and there is a good evidence that performance wise is not much different from the older model.

nikitopo · 10-03-2016, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM4E

That car they had in test is a limited edition, highly tuned, motor built, tweaked car on PilotSports3. Do that to BRZ and come again.

There were some saying that the upgraded model was exactly that. That it contained changes coming from highly tuned, limited edition models by STI and Gazoo. Apparently this is not true.

I have a modified BRZ and I know what it can do. This doesn't mean that we should hide the performance of the new model.

deejaylew · 10-03-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

There were some saying that the upgraded model was exactly that. That it contained changes coming from highly tuned, limited edition models by STI and Gazoo. Apparently this is not true.

I have a modified BRZ and I know what it can do. This doesn't mean that we should hide the performance of the new model.

I don't know what performance advantages the 17s will have in the real world but this video doesn't contain information that we didn't already know. No ~200hp rwd car can put down a decent track time with such a grip deficit.

The video being posted here is appreciated nonetheless.

justinco · 10-11-2016, 10:45 PM

I am a total amateur at these kind of reviews, but here you go

My driving impressions of my 2017 BRZ and some comparisons to my 2013 FRS.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSqd-BT7Bw[/ame]

Sport-Tech · 10-12-2016, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by justinco

I am a total amateur at these kind of reviews, but here you go

My driving impressions of my 2017 BRZ and some comparisons to my 2013 FRS.

Thanks - any difference in in-cabin engine sound noticed over stock FRS? Or ride compliance over bumps etc?

ztrevs · 10-12-2016, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Thanks - any difference in in-cabin engine sound noticed over stock FRS? Or ride compliance over bumps etc?

Personal experience, having driven a few stock frs', you do hear a lot more noise. A lot deeper of a sound, sounds more like induction noises.

justinco · 10-12-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Thanks - any difference in in-cabin engine sound noticed over stock FRS? Or ride compliance over bumps etc?

Well, my FRS had the TRD exhaust, so not exactly pure stock. The '17 BRZ does sound a little better though, in my opinion. It is slightly louder (not at all obnoxious though) and has a better tone, that kind of stuff is subjective though.

Ride compliance I would say is mostly the same as my old FRS.

BRZoomTX · 10-12-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justinco

Well, my FRS had the TRD exhaust, so not exactly pure stock. The '17 BRZ does sound a little better though, in my opinion. It is slightly louder (not at all obnoxious though) and has a better tone, that kind of stuff is subjective though.

Ride compliance I would say is mostly the same as my old FRS.

Still feel the torque dip? Sorry if its in the video, at work and can't watch it at the moment.

justinco · 10-12-2016, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZoomTX

Still feel the torque dip? Sorry if its in the video, at work and can't watch it at the moment.

Yep, torque dip is still there. Not quite as bad as previous years, I think mostly because of the revised gearing, but still annoying.

ayau · 10-12-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by justinco

Yep, torque dip is still there. Not quite as bad as previous years, I think mostly because of the revised gearing, but still annoying.

Thanks for the video.

If you could put a dollar value for the extra 5HP and gearing, how much would that be worth to you? In other words, if someone had a gen 1 BRZ, how much is it worth to you to trade the gen 1 for the gen2?

10-02-2016, 06:15 PM	#212
JDM4E Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Drives: Honda Accord Euro Location: Europe Posts: 204 Thanks: 251 Thanked 54 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That car they had in test is a limited edition, highly tuned, motor built, tweaked car on PilotSports3. Do that to BRZ and come again. And if you cannot see, that the Bolero lap is wet meanwile the BRZ lap is just rain then really there is no room for discussion here. BTW that Bolero is more expensive than BRZ, just to imagine what a super-mini it is. And while I am not sure if that limited car has AWD or not, they definitely have that option on "standard" cars. Last edited by JDM4E; 10-02-2016 at 06:35 PM.

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10-02-2016, 05:50 PM	#211
nikitopo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: '15 BRZ RA Location: Greece Posts: 3,787 Thanks: 2,416 Thanked 1,943 Times in 1,260 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It is not exactly a Nissan Micra and it is a FWD car. Details here: http://www.tradecarview.com/specific...mt_1.6/134234/ I provide FACTS, you are free to believe what you like.

10-03-2016, 05:34 AM	#215
nikitopo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: '15 BRZ RA Location: Greece Posts: 3,787 Thanks: 2,416 Thanked 1,943 Times in 1,260 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Such comparisons are stock over stock. It doesn't make sense to start discussing what would happen if we had different tires, if the track was not wet, if we had a turbo and so on. The updated model is what it is and there is a good evidence that performance wise is not much different from the older model.

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