Handling saved me from a crash

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Originally Posted by nova.86

The manual is actually slightly faster than the automatic in 0-60 times, it's shown on paper for the FRS/BRZ. I'm sure for more expensive cars like Porsches, the computers are well more designed and will be faster than manuals for 0-60s.

MT may be faster, but not because how computer is designed. The gearing ratios are different. MT has more torque at wheels at the expense of having to shift earlier.

[ShadowReaper]

lovely story. Yes, I will say that the handling car has saved me plenty from hitting animals on the road and stupid people.

[Spacemane969]

Originally Posted by guybo

There's more control because you have the clutch pedal, it has nothing to do with the shifter. That's why I kind of like paddles in automatics, but honestly I just let an auto be an auto and I don't bother with the paddles in those cars too much. Paddles are a toy unless you are racing IMHO. My car is a manual- I don't care too much about the shifter, the clutch is what makes the difference. I'd love to have a manumatic with a clutch.

But in the OP's case, AT or MT wouldn't matter, it was all about reaction and handling.

Sorry to derail this thread (good save OP) but this is just such a completely false statement.
If you say manual provides a more enjoyable experience for those who prefer 3 pedals and a stick than that is a completely valid argument.
But when you say you have more control than the same vehicle without a clutch than that is just flat out wrong. I'm not even going to take it to the point that the auto trans shifts quicker than any manual with a clutch in the way...just going to keep it purely even and preach that we have just as much decision into which gear we decide as a manual..besides that of a gear that will damage the engine for the given RPM, which is one you shouldnt be in with the manual anyways. And by the way the paddles arent the only way to manual shift...the stick works too!!

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by nova.86

The manual is actually slightly faster than the automatic in 0-60 times, it's shown on paper for the FRS/BRZ. I'm sure for more expensive cars like Porsches, the computers are well more designed and will be faster than manuals for 0-60s.

Its got nothing to with computers, the gear ratios are just longer in the auto. The fix is to get either a 4.56 or 4.88 final drive the car then becomes faster than a manual to 60 by .4 seconds and 1 second respectively

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Tada wrote a long time ago that all the sports car bosses from around the world would meet up for dinner every now and then. So I'm not surprised that the different brands are copying each other in terms of strategy at times (look at Porsche in recent years rehashing old ideas like 4 wheel steering, 9000rpm redline, back to basics package, manual transmission, etc).

Trust me I would not own another DSG car ever again, the long term reliability issues far outweigh its fast shifting speeds, and the party trick gets dull after a while.

Toyota probably saw thru a lot of these BS from the very beginning to not invest money into tech like Diesel Hybrid or DSG.

Not toyota, aisin just doesn't have the budget in line for a Dual clutch, in fact they don't have one trans that doesn't use a torque converter. Have you personally had reliability issues with the PDK or DSG?

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by justatroll

One simple answer: You cant heel-toe a AT to minimize the jolt to the drivetrain.


On the track there is a corner that I am at the limits of cohesion and I have to execute a downshift in the middle of the corner. I am certain that if I did NOT have a MT I would not be able to maintain that speed or the downshift would upset the car.

What? In manual mode there is no jolt, it rev matches anyway and it's super smooth doing it, smoother than any driver I know. Plus you really should be choosing a gear before the corner anyway...

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Not toyota, aisin just doesn't have the budget in line for a Dual clutch, in fact they don't have one trans that doesn't use a torque converter. Have you personally had reliability issues with the PDK or DSG?

The last time I checked Aisin is under the Toyota umbrella.

When I had my DSG in manual mode it would occasionally not shift up or down one gear but instead skips a gear, for example it would go from 4th to 2nd or 3rd to 5th and vice versa. This was a 2007 Mk5 Golf GTI (3rd ever model to have DSG, 1st was Mk1 TT, 2nd was Mk4 Golf R32).

Twice or three times a year I would hook up VAG-COM and go through the reset procedure to have the gearbox re-adapt the mechatronic controls of the hydraulics to fix this. Once re-adapted the computer would take some time to re-learn how to engage the clutches properly, and the car shifts like a noob for a good 30 mins of driving before it's all smooth again.

It was so random I could never duplicate it for the dealer to claim warranty.

With VW, if the mechatronic unit needs replacing, one would have to wait a few weeks for a replacement unit to arrive from Germany, and the old unit would get sent back for remanufacturing / refurbishing before it gets sent out again as a replacement unit for another customer (happened to someone I knew that had a 2008 GTI as part of a recall, he has only bought stick shift Audis and Porsches since).

I was lucky I never came across the DSG flash of death which would render the car immoblized. Imagine how scary it would be if it happens while driving down the highway. You can look this up on YouTube.

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When driving a DSG it shifts blazingly quick when it guessed your next gear correctly (it's basically just changing drive shafts), guessed wrong and the shift would feel like it's forever (e.g. to avoid this I've learned to let go of the gas or tap the brake pedal a split second before I downshift, if I were to upshift I would be on the gas).

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by krayzie

The last time I checked Aisin is under the Toyota umbrella.

When I had my DSG in manual mode it would occasionally not shift up or down one gear but instead skips a gear, for example it would go from 4th to 2nd or 3rd to 5th and vice versa. This was a 2007 Mk5 Golf GTI (3rd ever model to have DSG, 1st was Mk1 TT, 2nd was Mk4 Golf R32).

Twice or three times a year I would hook up VAG-COM and go through the reset procedure to have the gearbox re-adapt the mechatronic controls of the hydraulics to fix this. Once re-adapted the computer would take some time to re-learn how to engage the clutches properly, and the car shifts like a noob for a good 30 mins of driving before it's all smooth again.

It was so random I could never duplicate it for the dealer to claim warranty.

With VW, if the mechatronic unit needs replacing, one would have to wait a few weeks for a replacement unit to arrive from Germany, and the old unit would get sent back for remanufacturing / refurbishing before it gets sent out again as a replacement unit for another customer (happened to someone I knew that had a 2008 GTI as part of a recall, he has only bought stick shift Audis and Porsches since).

I was lucky I never came across the DSG flash of death which would render the car immoblized. Imagine how scary it would be if it happens while driving down the highway. You can look this up on YouTube.

When driving a DSG it shifts blazingly quick when it guessed your next gear correctly (it's basically just changing drive shafts), guessed wrong and the shift would feel like it's forever (e.g. to avoid this I've learned to let go of the gas or tap the brake pedal a split second before I downshift, if I were to upshift I would be on the gas).

The last time I checked Aisin is under the Toyota umbrella.

Only 30% is owned by Toyota they are indepedent, putting a blanket statement because you owned a bad dsg in there formative years isn't fair to the technology I know a whole bunch of people who have had 0 issues, and a few that swear its the demon spawn.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

The last time I checked Aisin is under the Toyota umbrella.

Only 30% is owned by Toyota they are indepedent, putting a blanket statement because you owned a bad dsg in there formative years isn't fair to the technology I know a whole bunch of people who have had 0 issues, and a few that swear its the demon spawn.

It's just a higher chance of it happening, obviously most ppl don't drive in the manner that would shorten it's life. (minus the defective ones) But I know 2 ppl that had MK6 GTI with DSG that basically were trying to sell the car cause of it.

Not saying DSG is bad but it's obvious that a DSG in a VW is gonna be different from the ones in a porsche or gtr...

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

The last time I checked Aisin is under the Toyota umbrella.

Only 30% is owned by Toyota they are indepedent, putting a blanket statement because you owned a bad dsg in there formative years isn't fair to the technology I know a whole bunch of people who have had 0 issues, and a few that swear its the demon spawn.

30% largest shareholder (more like 23%) at Aisin, its top brass are from Toyota. I'm pretty sure they would have developed a dual clutch gearbox for mass production if there was a demand from Toyota.

The VW DSG technology is from Borg Warner, the same maker as the one in the R35 GTR that had to lose its launch control.

You really need to do more research on real world DSG ownership, even upto now it's just not as reliable as a traditional torque converter automatic gearbox in general. I guess we have to agree to disagree here.

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

It's just a higher chance of it happening, obviously most ppl don't drive in the manner that would shorten it's life. (minus the defective ones) But I know 2 ppl that had MK6 GTI with DSG that basically were trying to sell the car cause of it.

Not saying DSG is bad but it's obvious that a DSG in a VW is gonna be different from the ones in a porsche or gtr...

The wet clutches are rated for 300,000km of service, it's just the various computerized components (controllers, sensors) that give it the headaches.