left-foot braking with AT

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

The while car is pretty much controlled by computer right? What if we just wired up an xbox controller and OP can use left trigger to brake

LOL I am serious!! His reaction times will be faster (at his finger tips) and it will be better for stop and go traffic (one of his issues) and cuz he seems to lazy to move 1 foot now he is down to moving his thumbs. Everyone wins

[MrDinkleman]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Alright I got it! Just get hand controls like handicap (or disabled I don't mean to offend anyone but this is 2016, cant be too careful) people have. That way you can use your thumbs for gas and brakes and its much safer then your 2 foot driving thing.

/End thread and lets all move on with life okay?

I think about stuff like this every now and then when I let my mind wander. After all, Mick Doohan had a thumb brake on his bike. Might be useful (or necessary) if you injured your leg(s). And:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

The while car is pretty much controlled by computer right? What if we just wired up an xbox controller and OP can use left trigger to brake

Drive by wire WOULD make it easier to get a hand control on the shifter. No more cables and such to attach to the throttle plates.


Hmmmmmmm...


LOL

[Packofcrows]

Guys! Guys! I learned to drive with my knees, shift with my elbow and closed eyes haha


BTW PC>Console

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Originally Posted by mdm

So if I ever buy a twin, it will be an automatic* FR-S.


And if I do it, I will want to drive it like I drive all automatic cars - using my left foot to brake. I just prefer this way for several reasons.


Does anyone here drive an AT twin this way?


Are you aware of any reasons it couldn't/shouldn't be done in this car?

Why just a twin? I drive all AT cars that way.

No reasons come to mind why you couldn't. Honestly if you aren't hammering both pedals simultaneously, can't imagine the systems would get 'confused'.

Keep in mind, the VSC/TC is very intrusive on the twins regardless of your transmission. SOP usually becomes turning them off for many people.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Guys! Guys! I learned to drive with my knees, shift with my elbow and closed eyes haha


BTW PC>Console

While I very much agree. PC>>>>>>> console. But a mouse and keyboard would be insanely hard to use while being thrown around inside a car

[RichardsFRS]

Oh my god. This thread wins for longest thread in history while being five pages long. Some of you wrote tiny books for replies

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

What makes you think AT is "meant"to be braked left footed? The pedal is in the same place and is in no way in a good position for a left foot. I think you can do it, you'll just end up being on brake and gas at same time. Also, I assume you've used your right foot to brake the whole time you were MT. So why change now?

Not necessarily true. You can LFB in a manual too, albeit slightly more difficult not hitting the clutch if you have big feet/shoes.

LFB can be used to balance the car or set weight where you need it while keeping the RPM's up regardless of transmission, as well as simply for stop and go driving. Many top Autocrossers will LFB.

[swarb]

Learn both, use whatever works for you.
Best way to train your brain is to think of it as a middle pedal. And keep your right foot close for backup when your left leg forgets it is not a on/off like a clutch.

[Ashikabi]

If you NEED top autocross driver skills on your daily commute... you're doing it wrong

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Originally Posted by jawn

I thought this thread was going to be about left-foot braking, the performance driving technique.

It is not.

Exactly this.

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Originally Posted by Chanpion

But on our cars, we actually do have a system if both pedals are hit in a panic situation, only braking will be applied, I believe it's on most Toyota ECUs. *Actually, let me check the validility of this claim, I remember seeing it but want to make sure.

Now you've got me curious. I'll try after work* and post the results.

*Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt.

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Originally Posted by fumanchu1

No that would have been logical and smart, You've obviously never been to this forum

Hehe... I saw the first message, responded in kind (re: performance technique), then started reading post 2, 3, 4... 15, 16... Ah, *waves hand* 'This isn't the thread you are looking for.'

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by mdm

In response to this, and also to jokes in the teeth thread ("For those of you that seem to think this is a bad idea, these are just opinions and I'm going to continue anyways even though I asked for your advice")


Please note that I was asking if there is anything specific to the FR-S ("Are you aware of any reasons it couldn't/shouldn't be done in this car?") that would preclude or interfere with left-foot braking.


I was not asking whether it is good to brake with your left foot in general. Yes I have my mind pretty much set about that, with probably 30 or 50k miles of experience and self-observation doing it on a daily basis (though I am always open to consider an good argument against my opinion).


It's just that the majority of posters, instead of responding to my actual question (like "I don't know, I would never do that anyway", or just not responding at all) started to pile up on me telling me that left-foot braking is bad in general. Not what I asked about!

That's exactly the problem though, you didn't ask for advice because you disregard all the logical points that have been made to argue against it. You had made your mind up, and asked a question for advice that you had no intention of following. You asked what was the negatives of such technique and it's been illustrated by many as to what they are. Again your experience with the technique may be uneventful but it's only gonna take one mistake, one time and that could be your last or someone's last moment because you chose to continue doing something unsafe/ less safe for no other reason than because you wanted to (Hypothetically, if you were to hit me and cause an accident and I learned you were left foot braking I would push to have you charged with willful/criminal negligence causing injuries and reckless endangerment).
Just because you CAN do something or you CAN do it without consequences most times does not mean you should be doing it. Hell I knew people that carried loaded rifles while hunting without pointing them to the ground or the air or away from people and nothing happened, except for that one time where he slipped and accidentally pulled the trigger and shot his best friend in the sternum (Just an fyi, before that he thought it was a good idea to do what he was doing, not so much after he watched his friend bleeding out in front of him in the middle of the woods)

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

If left foot breaking was so great, why isn't the pedal on the left?

Because the clutch pedal is already there.