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Old 02-10-2022, 10:42 PM   #2563
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@Spuds persnaps, I'd go back on that. But, there's the idea that the stats are indeed fudged, being plenty of evidence given the labeling of covid (common cold) deaths with comorbidities. Whether by forgery and lies or being frustratingly unintelligible and difficult to argue, due to policy.

Or maybe the "science has changed" and you see them doing a complete 180 now that the damage has done. Indeed will there be any correction to these number stats, or will they just keep tallying numbers irregardless?


(I don't watch Fox News, just wanted a picture of Dr. Wen)

On my local town's subreddit there are people still shaking making posts about the high schools not having mask mandates. It takes time for the narrative to catch up doesn't it?
What? None of that makes any sense. COVID-19 is not the common cold, that's like comparing a dog to a dolphin because they are both mammals. Why would anyone just stop counting a number that is increasing? Why do you need a picture of someone? What is catching up to what?
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@Spuds reminder the stats weren't ever accurate to the point where people in vehicle accident deaths were counted as covid deaths.

You have different sampling. I can't imagine Swedes being as pedantic as Canadians during this, like doing PCR tests every day to go to work.

Also reminder the CDC listed vaccinated deaths as unvaccinated deaths if they die within 14 days of the vaccine. The stats are completely fucked!!
If you have reliable sources for these claims, cite them. If you donít, itís more made up rubbish. We have seen more than enough of that floating through here.
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:46 PM   #2565
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We have seen more than enough of that floating through here.
What? NO!
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Old 02-11-2022, 02:00 AM   #2566
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Meanwhile you have a MRNA injection that is still in experimental trials. .
Disinformation much?

Both Pfizer and Moderna based MRNA vaccines (lol "injections") are fully FDA Approved for ages 12 and up. Not in "experimental trials", not even in Emergency Use Authorization (EUA.) Additionally, both vaccines collectively have had the largest cohort studies in human history (hundreds of millions of treatments.) There is no significant reason to not get vaccinated that has better statistical analysis behind it than either of these vaccines. From both a scientific and practical perspective they are safe. This is fact.

You know what is still in "experimental trials"?

Monoclonal antibody therapy for use in COVID-19 patients.

You know what isn't in "experimental trials" and has never been for treatment of COVID-19?

Ivermectin for use in COVID-19 patients.

So why is disinformation thurst so often at MRNA vaccines while these lesser studied methods embraced by anti-vaxx skeptics? Why is their approval status not of concern for anti-vaxx types?

Confirmation bias, disinformation, lack of care for facts, actual science, or human health policy above their own political notions.
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Clearly, you're following the wrong science
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I'm going to ignore Radroach, who is also providing inaccurate information. If you're going to call mainstream society a sham, you better have ammo to back up your statements. He also uses the word "retarded" inappropriately.

Example: prove your statement, "You have different sampling. I can't imagine Swedes being as pedantic as Canadians during this, like doing PCR tests every day to go to work".
Actually, with Omikron due to inability to process the volume of PCR tests, reported infection numbers are believed to be significantly higher than tested.


Now, back to the human side of things.

I am very sad that the last time I saw my uncle and aunt was just before the lockdowns all started when I was visiting my father at his seniors residence on a Sunday. It was always a pleasant surprise to see them there when I did. If the vaccines were available BEFORE my father caught Covid and I was still seeing them, I would have done everything I could to convince them to get vaccinated. The sad part is the first round of vaccinations started a few days after my father died.

If you're old but otherwise healthy, wtf do you have to lose taking this "experimental" vaccine that is approved for pretty much every adult? The longterm effects?
Sure, an otherwise healthy 90 year old might live another 10 years if something like pneumonia doesn't kill them, but they're going to worry about the side effects of these vaccines that almost everyone they know is taking ?

People that don't get vaccinated, today they have the right to cultivate this virus, society has never reached a situation in the past where legislation could determine otherwise, unless it is deliberately or carelessly administering a noxious substance. That might really change though.

Some people are pro human life beyond everything, it is a precious gift that is irreplaceable. If others wish to face death in the eye and sneer at it, they will cause a greater divide in society. I'll stay on the "safe" side. In fact a big part of what makes a civilization is public safety being of primary importance.
For those that wish to regress back to the stone age, knock yourselves out but don't try to disrupt our jobs, food supply, security. Do we need a massacre to get through to people? There is one. Look at the Covid stats.

People are defending the survival of our common enemy. (Star Trek music in background).

One last thought. Guys like Joe Rogan have a big following so it wouldn't be impossible that 2 or 3 siblings are anti vax, support Ivermectin use etc. It's also no surprise that elderly parents, 85 and 89 have little contact outside of their children on a daily basis during the pandemic. It's also possible Joe Rogan influenced siblings who controlled elderly parents who have few outside influences. When an elderly parent dies from preventable Covid, who is morally reprehensible for their actions?
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Also reminder the CDC listed vaccinated deaths as unvaccinated deaths if they die within 14 days of the vaccine. The stats are completely fucked!!
This part must have been added after I quoted.

If someone dies within 14 days of getting the vaccine, that means they were likely already infected before receiving the vaccine. A vaccine is a preventative measure, not a cure for an already infected person. The data clearly shows that two week period in the trials. The stats are fine. They just reflect a world slightly more complicated than you wish to acknowledge.
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I was in and out of the hospital all last year dealing with a family member's surgery last summer. We had daily exposure to all kinds of nurses, paramedics. I would ride the hospital elevator with 4 other passengers. Also none of our caregivers wore masks nor had had any proper lockdown. None of us had any serious complications or illness.

I wore masks but noted that the change in narrative. First it was: Don't wear masks unless you're sick. Then it was: You Must wear a mask to enter store. Then they start suggesting wearing two masks. We were joking "Just wear the whole box!"
Then we had vaccine employment mandates (I'm sure you LOVE seeing people lose their jobs over). And then we get: The masks actually don't work, and the vaccine needs a booster -actually you aren't considered vaccinated until you've had your second booster.

Also if you don't get why I'm posting Dr. Wen's picture, it's because I recognize her by face, not by name, and I'd assume if I just said "Dr. Wen said this" you wouldn't know who I was talking about.
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"For those that wish to regress back to the stone age, knock yourselves out but don't try to disrupt our jobs, food supply, security." @wbradley

If you want to backbone up you could take their trucking jobs and put up with the same nonsense they did.

Two weeks hotel-lockdown out of pocket every time you cross the border.
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:36 PM   #2572
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Did I step into a time machine? I rarely look at this thread anymore, and it seems the times I do that someone random joins the discussion and immediately uses the old rhetoric that has been brought up here ad nauseum and disproven a plethora of times.
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I was in and out of the hospital all last year dealing with a family member's surgery last summer. We had daily exposure to all kinds of nurses, paramedics. I would ride the hospital elevator with 4 other passengers. Also none of our caregivers wore masks nor had had any proper lockdown. None of us had any serious complications or illness.

I wore masks but noted that the change in narrative. First it was: Don't wear masks unless you're sick. Then it was: You Must wear a mask to enter store. Then they start suggesting wearing two masks. We were joking "Just wear the whole box!"
Then we had vaccine employment mandates (I'm sure you LOVE seeing people lose their jobs over). And then we get: The masks actually don't work, and the vaccine needs a booster -actually you aren't considered vaccinated until you've had your second booster.

Also if you don't get why I'm posting Dr. Wen's picture, it's because I recognize her by face, not by name, and I'd assume if I just said "Dr. Wen said this" you wouldn't know who I was talking about.
How many people caught covid while in that hospital I wonder. I'm willing to bet a very large percentage of the people you were in contact with were vaccinated anyway.

Masking rules didn't change all that much in 2021. In fact, it was consistently optional around me all year iirc. It was recommended that unvaccinated people continue to mask, but that didn't really affect me. Common sense is to wear a mask when in a place where people have to go like a grocery store, I'm case you are bringing the virus with you and don't know it.

I think way too many people think that meme is a quote.

If I show you a picture of some random person with no context, do you suddenly know who they are? That's a neat trick if you can. I usually have to actually talk to someone to measure their character.
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@Spuds Spike bullseyed the target. It's as if there is a timer somewhere that on a preset interval looses someone who shows up with the same tired tropes that have already been weighed, measured, and found to be failures. Once you ID them for what they are, put them on ignore. It would be different if they had something new to offer. So far, none have.
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Funny how someone who used the word, "retarded" turns out to be a slow learner.

Function of the mask used when unable to distance indoors: prevent airborne water droplets from exiting your mouth and nose. When properly fitting, it will block any possible spray.

Wow, such a big deal to show the world that you respect THEIR safety.

And if you're older or might be more vulnerable then wear a tight fitting N95 which will offer the wearer some protection too. It filters 95% of incoming particulate.

Such a big deal.

Why don't you go cry to some incarcerated Uyghurs how the mask is imposing on your freedumb.
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I did my first home test today. No more covid, yay!
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