That engine though. Where will it sit among the great 4cyl NA's?

[Pat]

"it's literally a brick shit house"
Umm... I'm not sure I'd want that in my car.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Silviacrazed

My vote for one of the best 4 bangers of all time.....

Originally Posted by scuzzy

Classic!

Amen!

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

I too am factoring in everything needed to turbo the car.
The turbo is usually the heaviest part next to the manifold.
Then manifold will almost certainly not be much of a difference between the turbo vs non turbo versions.

Spent an hour googling hood crumple zones and pedestrians.
Could not find anything to support that comment.
Even then, everything about that is well within the ability to engineer.
IF they had designed it like that in the first place.

The business/cost/ROI case is the only thing that I'd agree with.
Mainly for the part about the low volume thing.
But that isn't what was talked about in the video.

He insinuates that it would be too hard and expensive to do.'
That is just stupid going by the fact that this is a car made by large car companies and the MSRP of the Ascent.

I think your right from a tuner perspective, but don't manufacturers always add in heavier and stronger components to many areas of the engine and drivetrain for reliability when making a turbo car? Well either that or use more expensive materials.

I mean its all academic anyway because we are getting what we get, but I would also guess that when making a low cost performance car like this, the benefits of sticking to a single 'spec' of engine design (the FA2xD) are more than just cost of the bill of parts and the weight of those parts. Keeping it same-same means they are probably able to really hone in on little details in the chassis and retain some of the minute learnings gained from the existing model to a greater extent than they would be able to if they moved to FI.

[Baldeagle]

First, where is Tcoat to chime in here? Seems odd that someone who averages 26 posts per day has been silent for over a month. I hope he is OK.

Second, to continue with Jason’s mental-exercise comparison of the 228 hp NA BRZ to a hypothetical 260hp turbo version, I might argue the difference is large. Consider the following:

The 2.0 Supra weighs 3,179 pounds with 255 hp and does the quarter mile in 13.3s at 104 mph with an 8A. We all know BMW underrates their engines and turbos prefer automatics. But even if a turbo BRZ weighs an extra 120 pounds, it would still weigh about 240 pounds less than the Supra with five more HP and should therefore be at least as fast. What’s a reasonable guess at how fast the 228hp NA 2.4 BRZ will be in the quarter mile…99 mph? Maybe even 100 mph? Compared to 104+, that’s still a big difference.


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

First, where is Tcoat to chime in here? Seems odd that someone who averages 26 posts per day has been silent for over a month. I hope he is OK.

He's just taking a sabbatical. No worries. I do miss him here but I get it.

[DarkSideFRS]

$10 says we get another valve spring recall on the new motor

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

$10 says we get another valve spring recall on the new motor

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

First, where is Tcoat to chime in here? Seems odd that someone who averages 26 posts per day has been silent for over a month. I hope he is OK.

Second, to continue with Jason’s mental-exercise comparison of the 228 hp NA BRZ to a hypothetical 260hp turbo version, I might argue the difference is large. Consider the following:

The 2.0 Supra weighs 3,179 pounds with 255 hp and does the quarter mile in 13.3s at 104 mph with an 8A. We all know BMW underrates their engines and turbos prefer automatics. But even if a turbo BRZ weighs an extra 120 pounds, it would still weigh about 240 pounds less than the Supra with five more HP and should therefore be at least as fast. What’s a reasonable guess at how fast the 228hp NA 2.4 BRZ will be in the quarter mile…99 mph? Maybe even 100 mph? Compared to 104+, that’s still a big difference.


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Well the Premium Manual 2022 BRZ has a slightly higher power to weight than the 2.0 Supra.

Its going to be very interesting comparing these cars, being that they are so similar in that way.

[Baldeagle]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Well the Premium Manual 2022 BRZ has a slightly higher power to weight than the 2.0 Supra.

Its going to be very interesting comparing these cars, being that they are so similar in that way.

I try to not take these mental exercises too seriously. A ballpark guess is the best we can do. Even with a slightly better weight to power ratio, I doubt the Premium BRZ will match the straight line performance of the 2.0 Supra. That BMW engine is underrated and also benefits from a much fatter torque curve. But does it really matter? I just mentioned the 2.0 Supra because it is a close what-if comparison to a hypothetical 2.4T BRZ. As much as I’d love a stock BRZ that traps at 105+mph, if the NA 2.4-6MT BRZ traps at 98-99 mph, I’ll still be very happy.

To add, I am in the market for new car right now and the 2022 BRZ is at the top of my list. But the Supra is not even on my radar – no MT. However the RWD BMW 230i Coupe 6MT would probably be my next choice. Comparing a 6MT Twin to a 6MT 230i would be far more interesting and helpful to me.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

$10 says we get another valve spring recall on the new motor

$1,000 says I'll let my motor decide its own fate, were that to be the case.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

$1,000 says I'll let my motor decide its own fate, were that to be the case.

Yeah that was a joke. I feel bad for the people in states like CA that had to do it. My 13' is still running strong, no valve spring recall. The engine I just picked up yesterday was one that had the recall done and spun a rod bearing. The good news is if you can handle doing a rebuild this is a cheap source of complete engines.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

I try to not take these mental exercises too seriously. A ballpark guess is the best we can do. Even with a slightly better weight to power ratio, I doubt the Premium BRZ will match the straight line performance of the 2.0 Supra. That BMW engine is underrated and also benefits from a much fatter torque curve. But does it really matter? I just mentioned the 2.0 Supra because it is a close what-if comparison to a hypothetical 2.4T BRZ. As much as I’d love a stock BRZ that traps at 105+mph, if the NA 2.4-6MT BRZ traps at 98-99 mph, I’ll still be very happy.

To add, I am in the market for new car right now and the 2022 BRZ is at the top of my list. But the Supra is not even on my radar – no MT. However the RWD BMW 230i Coupe 6MT would probably be my next choice. Comparing a 6MT Twin to a 6MT 230i would be far more interesting and helpful to me.

Interesting choice. New BRZ is far superior power to weight than that, and cheaper (we think), but if you are interested in tuning you potentially could get some more power to balance that with a tune.

IMO I think its going to be quite a ways away from the experience of the brz, but definitely will be interesting to get some test drives.

It is a LOT nicer inside too, which is where those extra dollars go I assume.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah that was a joke. I feel bad for the people in states like CA that had to do it. My 13' is still running strong, no valve spring recall. The engine I just picked up yesterday was one that had the recall done and spun a rod bearing. The good news is if you can handle doing a rebuild this is a cheap source of complete engines.

I'm curious to hear about the fasteners when you dig into it. My biggest beef with "professionals" is that most seem to think that torque specs are minimum suggested values.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm curious to hear about the fasteners when you dig into it. My biggest beef with "professionals" is that most seem to think that torque specs are minimum suggested values.

Yeah I think that comes working book time and not giving a shit. Lug nut, impact. 5mm valve cover bolt, impact