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Old 01-12-2022, 03:59 PM   #519
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Exactly. Those who expect a different experience are in for a rude awakening. My brain barely realizes it is a different car.
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Old 01-12-2022, 04:14 PM   #520
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You will never know until you drive one yourself. I will eventually. But my 16 is paid off and lots of fun with mods with 70k miles. I will save my money for a weekend toy rather than buy a similar car for DD highway commute.

As PBR said, maybe a used one in a few years from now when they are cheap. I never say never.
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Old 01-12-2022, 05:29 PM   #521
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My 2020 GT86 with performance package is way more refined than 2012/2013 model. Thats enough for a car in this price category in terms of sports car. Now, I will be double happy if I figure out 2nd gen is more better in terms of build quality.
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looks like they haven't done much with 6th gear and how it relates to road trips or cruising

still at around 3400 rpm doing 80mph. really wish they would have lowered it.
my 09 civic with 128 ft-lbs is spinning at 2600 rpm by comparison
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:24 PM   #523
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Yeah. Sixth gear is a cruising gear and it shouldn't get above 3k at 80 imo. It's like they're still planning for the ol' double-nickel highway speeds.
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Old 01-12-2022, 08:06 PM   #524
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My 2020 GT86 with performance package is way more refined than 2012/2013 model. Thats enough for a car in this price category in terms of sports car. Now, I will be double happy if I figure out 2nd gen is more better in terms of build quality.
I have had both version of the 1st gen and they are literally identical apart from a bit of fake alcantara on the doors and dash. If you define that as ''way more refined'', than you are of those who will find the 2nd gens ''better''. I gues paying a premium really makes you feel the placebo.

I will be the downer here though, 2nd gen are a rounding error away exactly the same as 1st gens as far as refined goes...
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Old 01-12-2022, 08:13 PM   #525
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I will be the downer here though, 2nd gen are a rounding error away exactly the same as 1st gens as far as refined goes...

I have to disagree there. The increase in body stiffness alone makes the car feel much more solid. That will lead to less squeaks and rattles down the road too. The switchgear is nicer in most places too, ac controls and window switches for example. Overall It feels like a very similar car but saying it’s a rounding error is a stretch. There are real noticeable improvements that are very apparent coming from a 1st Gen.
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I have had both version of the 1st gen and they are literally identical apart from a bit of fake alcantara on the doors and dash. If you define that as ''way more refined'', than you are of those who will find the 2nd gens ''better''. I gues paying a premium really makes you feel the placebo.

I will be the downer here though, 2nd gen are a rounding error away exactly the same as 1st gens as far as refined goes...
Not sure if its the “PLACEBO” or not, but those stuffs you mentioned with PP, yeah, to me, its refinement. May be it is tiny refinement instead of “way more refined”. Oh and yes, I have driven the 1st Gen for sometime too.
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I will be the downer here though, 2nd gen are a rounding error away exactly the same as 1st gens as far as refined goes...
I'd just point out that "subtle changes to improve" is the literal definition of "refinement".
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I have had both version of the 1st gen and they are literally identical apart from a bit of fake alcantara on the doors and dash. If you define that as ''way more refined'', than you are of those who will find the 2nd gens ''better''. I gues paying a premium really makes you feel the placebo.

I will be the downer here though, 2nd gen are a rounding error away exactly the same as 1st gens as far as refined goes...
Its not a placebo effect.

stock for stock the motor is much smoother and quieter, and the the ride is apparently much better.
None of these would matter if the car is modded though because those either fixed or ruined the stock form.

Interior wise just having the dual HVAC setup makes the car feel less cheap than the basic interior imo.
The newer trim pieces makes the interior feel a little better because they're nicer/better pieces of trim (cuz the initial vinyl material is replaced with a better softer feeling leatherette material or the alcantara material, and the hard plastic trim is replaced by a not-as-cheap looking fake carbon fibre plastic trim)
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Um, my '14 has dual HVAC...
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The fact the 2nd gen isn't miles different from the 1st to me is a positive. I don't want it to be, let's face it the 1st gen was great, hence why we all had one.

Evolution not revolution, that'll do for me.
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the 1st gen was unrefined. cheap materials. switches rattled. stereo was god awful.
??? I love the interior in my '17 PP. To me anyway, it looks and feels a lot higher-end than I expected and is one of the reasons I bought the car. Not that I need to feel coddled but one reason I got a Mazda3 instead of a WRX hatch for daily way back in '05. WRX interior looked and felt pretty bad...

I have one small rattle at the base of the windshield (15% of the time) and a slight wind whistle in the driver's side window (25% of the time, with side gusts), other than that remarkably rattle-free at 62k miles and 40+ track days.

Stereo is not great but good enough... Hate touch-screen controls...
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Um, my '14 has dual HVAC...
oh I wasn't comparing a 2nd gen to the first in my last post. I was merely talking about the first gen and its refresh and how the latter cars got more refined and feels more refined just by having some trim differences.

IM aware of the dual HVAC available in the various model years of first gen
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