Sedan equivalent - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

fatoni · 09-22-2021, 12:55 AM

I sold the brz a ways back in the search for more power. It was a mistake I knew heading into it but sometimes you have to scratch that itch. I still have an Elise so I'm doing okay. Now that it's time to move on from a corvette I think I want a little more utility but I don't know if any sedans that are simple drivers cars. I know there are cool things like the m cars and rally cars and hot hatches, but are there cars that are like a 4 door miata or twin?

Yoshoobaroo · 09-22-2021, 03:57 AM

An E36 M3 comes to mind. 3200lbs, 250hp, RWD.

Dirty Harry · 09-22-2021, 10:49 AM

Civic Type R, I never would’ve thought so in the past, but this review made me think twice.

Pretty light for a 4 door turbo hatch too. The only thing is the looks are a bit out there, but the new one with revised styling isn’t far off.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142699

WolfpackS2k · 09-22-2021, 11:17 AM

If you're not interested in something that looks like a clown car (Civic Type R) the Mk7 GTI is a good alternative. 3000-3200 lb depending on options. Smart LSD. And a simple ECU reflash gained me 100/100 hp & torque.

Unfortunately relatively lightweight RWD 4 door sedans, that aren't 20+ yrs old, are basically non-existent. If you're willing to deal with a bit of heft, more options present themselves. Or older, the E36 mentioned above is a good option.

Dadhawk · 09-22-2021, 11:24 AM

If you want something that compares to the Corvette in power, there is the CTS-V and CT5-V Blackwing. The CT4-V Blackwing would be the smaller version of this.

The CT5-V Blackwing seems to be shipping now based on my local dealer.

I think the regular CT5-V twin turbo V6 is the sweet spot in performance/price though.

Yoshoobaroo · 09-22-2021, 11:46 AM

I don’t see how anything FWD could be remotely equivalent to this car.

Sasquachulator · 09-22-2021, 11:59 AM

I dont think theres any 4 door RWD sports cars that isnt a luxury car or something super old.

If its old it might not even be a sports car.

I suppose an RX8 might count, since its got 2 back half doors so it is technically a 4 door lol.

Ultramaroon · 09-22-2021, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I suppose an RX8 might count, since its got 2 back half doors so it is technically a 4 door lol.

But those fender flares

alphasaur · 09-22-2021, 12:31 PM

Alfa Romeo Giulia

approx 3400lbs, rwd and 280hp with an excellent ZF transmission.

The 4 cylinder giulia is fairly reliable as well with electrical gremlins from earlier model years being the most commonly reported issues. The majority of the issues appear to be fixed with ECU flashes.

Driving dynamics are excellent and road presence is great too. It's 100% the most driver focused car in it's class. Can find CPO at about ~30k. Make sure you get the sport package with LSD.

DarkPira7e · 09-22-2021, 12:53 PM

E36, unequivocally. Huge aftermarket support, platform knowledge, design and use knowledge. Car drives amazing, just don't forget to change the entire cooling system, get a non-plastic impeller waterpump, and don't use the windows unless you absolutely have to. They might not come back up

DarkSunrise · 09-22-2021, 01:05 PM

Rx8
E36m3 sedan

I’ve driven a friend’s tuned mk7 gti and it’s not really comparable to miata/FRS/s2000 if that’s what you’re looking for.

Haven’t tried the CTR but if you’re planning to track it, it’s got overheating issues at the track.

Might keep an eye out for the upcoming GR Corolla, especially if it’s anything like the GR Yaris.

spcmafia · 09-22-2021, 01:07 PM

The 330 Ci is not a bad choice either, often overlooked because of its meaner brother, the E46.

Yoshoobaroo · 09-22-2021, 01:15 PM

I agree on the RX8 being fantastic to drive. To live with, not so much. My buddy gets 16 MPG commuting, and his engine is in great shape with a stand alone oil injection system.

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Originally Posted by spcmafia

The 330 Ci is not a bad choice either, often overlooked because of its meaner brother, the E46.

Just get an E46 330Ci then

ZHP FTW, but they’ll cost you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

E36, unequivocally. Huge aftermarket support, platform knowledge, design and use knowledge. Car drives amazing, just don't forget to change the entire cooling system, get a non-plastic impeller waterpump, and don't use the windows unless you absolutely have to. They might not come back up

Agreed. Small car by today’s standards. And don’t forget the oil pump nut.

mazeroni · 09-22-2021, 02:24 PM

A modern 4-door sedan or something older?

Older: I would think a BMW E46 or E90 generation 3 Series with the NA 2.5 I6 and a manual would be a good starting place, no? Around 200 HP and 3,100 pounds.

Maybe also any generation IS350 or IS250.

Newer:
Cadillac ATS or CTS.. Or the CT4 or CT5.

09-22-2021, 12:55 AM	#1
fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,442 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sedan equivalent I sold the brz a ways back in the search for more power. It was a mistake I knew heading into it but sometimes you have to scratch that itch. I still have an Elise so I'm doing okay. Now that it's time to move on from a corvette I think I want a little more utility but I don't know if any sedans that are simple drivers cars. I know there are cool things like the m cars and rally cars and hot hatches, but are there cars that are like a 4 door miata or twin? __________________ Drive upgrades. Don't buy them.

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alphasaur friendly Join Date: Oct 2018 Drives: 17' 86 Location: Dutchess County, NY Posts: 718 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 466 Times in 284 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Alfa Romeo Giulia approx 3400lbs, rwd and 280hp with an excellent ZF transmission. The 4 cylinder giulia is fairly reliable as well with electrical gremlins from earlier model years being the most commonly reported issues. The majority of the issues appear to be fixed with ECU flashes. Driving dynamics are excellent and road presence is great too. It's 100% the most driver focused car in it's class. Can find CPO at about ~30k. Make sure you get the sport package with LSD. __________________ Seek comfort in discomfort.

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DarkPira7e Rust bucket enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS Location: Vermont Posts: 3,932 Thanks: 3,199 Thanked 4,095 Times in 2,045 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	E36, unequivocally. Huge aftermarket support, platform knowledge, design and use knowledge. Car drives amazing, just don't forget to change the entire cooling system, get a non-plastic impeller waterpump, and don't use the windows unless you absolutely have to. They might not come back up __________________ Turbo FR-S Build - Build Thread JDL EL Recirc manifold, Boostlab BL58x Turbo w/ T51R, 17x9 ARC-8, IAG block

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DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,794 Thanks: 2,164 Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Rx8 E36m3 sedan I’ve driven a friend’s tuned mk7 gti and it’s not really comparable to miata/FRS/s2000 if that’s what you’re looking for. Haven’t tried the CTR but if you’re planning to track it, it’s got overheating issues at the track. Might keep an eye out for the upcoming GR Corolla, especially if it’s anything like the GR Yaris. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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Dirty Harry Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Drives: 2013 BRZ Satin White Pearl Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 633 Thanks: 582 Thanked 673 Times in 330 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Civic Type R, I never would’ve thought so in the past, but this review made me think twice. Pretty light for a 4 door turbo hatch too. The only thing is the looks are a bit out there, but the new one with revised styling isn’t far off. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142699

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Sasquachulator Pavement Grey Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2020 Toyota 86 GT, 2017 BMW X1 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,083 Thanks: 109 Thanked 2,222 Times in 1,204 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I dont think theres any 4 door RWD sports cars that isnt a luxury car or something super old. If its old it might not even be a sports car. I suppose an RX8 might count, since its got 2 back half doors so it is technically a 4 door lol.

09-22-2021, 01:07 PM	#12
spcmafia Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Drives: 2018 Subaru BRZ Location: Stonington, Connecticut Posts: 3,281 Thanks: 1,514 Thanked 4,141 Times in 1,986 Posts Mentioned: 24 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 330 Ci is not a bad choice either, often overlooked because of its meaner brother, the E46. __________________ “God gave me an okay mind, but a really good ass, which can feel everything in a car.” Nikki Lauda

09-22-2021, 02:24 PM	#14
mazeroni Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Series 10 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,116 Thanks: 600 Thanked 1,017 Times in 512 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A modern 4-door sedan or something older? Older: I would think a BMW E46 or E90 generation 3 Series with the NA 2.5 I6 and a manual would be a good starting place, no? Around 200 HP and 3,100 pounds. Maybe also any generation IS350 or IS250. Newer: Cadillac ATS or CTS.. Or the CT4 or CT5. Last edited by mazeroni; 09-22-2021 at 06:10 PM.

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