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Old 10-07-2020, 04:59 PM   #15
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Not sure why they limited it to 217hp. Even with 217 hp, the new BRZ/86 should be amazing.
Who in the world said it has 217hp? or did someone say it might? or should. Or probably has. Or must have. Or will have? Certainly no one said "does"
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Max rpm is usually a function of piston speed, which is a function of stroke.
Piston weight would also have an impact, as well as other moving components that would need to be beefier for a larger bore.
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Yes to all of these wonderful questions. If the manufacturer calls it a name it is indeed that name.
Yep! And it remains what it was called until somebody replaces the engine, transmission, diff, suspension, and interior with something else. Then they alter about 60% of the body but still continue to call it an 86!
A new 86 with all different components would still be an 86.

This is NOT an 86:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142192
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Yep! And it remains what it was called until somebody replaces the engine, transmission, diff, suspension, and interior with something else. Then they alter about 60% of the body but still continue to call it an 86!
A new 86 with all different components would still be an 86.

This is NOT an 86:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142192
If we put a 4AGE in an 86 does it make it more 86? At what point can I make it most 86?
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If we put a 4AGE in an 86 does it make it more 86? At what point can I make it most 86?

And have Agent 86 drive it

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Yep! And it remains what it was called until somebody replaces the engine, transmission, diff, suspension, and interior with something else. Then they alter about 60% of the body but still continue to call it an 86!
A new 86 with all different components would still be an 86.

This is NOT an 86:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142192
Reminds me of restoring classic cars... some of the high dollar restorations keep little more than the VIN.

A tale as old as time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
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Who in the world said it has 217hp? or did someone say it might? or should. Or probably has. Or must have. Or will have? Certainly no one said "does"
Car and Driver, Road and Track, The Drive to name a few sources. All stated the “suggested” power should be 217 hp, which seems like a very specific number for a “suggested” figure. Where did these journals get their info? No idea.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...eal-announced/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...z-coming-2021/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/36903/...022-subaru-brz

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Piston weight would also have an impact, as well as other moving components that would need to be beefier for a larger bore.
Very true. And so would valve size, valve angle, cam profile, intake manifold tuning, cylinder head shape, exhaust gas scavenging, etc. Perhaps Subaru tweaked certain components of the 2.4 to better manage the dead-spot in the 2.0’s mid-rpm torque curve that result in a lower redline and a lower specific power output.

But if Subaru kept everything pretty much equal, (except for bore) and developed 100+hp/liter from the 2.0, they should get very close to that from the 2.4, which implies it should produce around 230-240 hp. And for all I know, which is not much, perhaps the naturally aspirated 2.4 will and Subaru and Toyota have underrated the engine, much like other car manufacturers do today. The bottom line will be how it drives on the road and for that we must all be patient. To add, I'd much rather have a responsive 230 hp naturally aspirated 2.4 liter engine than a 260hp "laggy" 2.4T, especially when mated to a manual transmission.

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I think the spy photos in this article, linked off of one @Baldeagle mentions, gives you a better look at the car, even in the swirly camo.



Definitely looks like a member of the family, but the front wheel arcs are too muted and the hips seem to have had some liposuction done to them.
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Car and Driver, Road and Track, The Drive to name a few sources. All stated the “suggested” power should be 217 hp, which seems like a very specific number for a “suggested” figure. Where did these journals get their info? No idea.
It's a strategy for validation and proof of concept. If you overhear someone saying something, and make the same or very similar claim, it gains a foot hold in realism. Think bigfoot.
The more people repeat something, the more plausible it seems, based only on the fact that more than one account from unrelated sources has claimed it.

Imagine if someone said "ok, guess what card I've drawn from the top of the deck" but gave you 1 year, with as many guesses as you wanted- you'd probably GUESS right at some point. It's then easy to say "yup I knew it" right?

Until Subaru or Toyota publish a number, it doesn't exist in reality, only in suspicion and plausibility. It's very likely that the car will have between 205hp and 240hp. That doesn't mean what I say is any more credible than anything else- the BRZ could come with a 3L flat 6 with 295hp and the 86 could have a 3L i6 with a turbo and 279hp.

It is fun to theorize and have hopes- but don't mistake guesses for facts maybe it'll have a diesel engine, with 180hp and 350tq
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If it can deliver tofu in the back, it is 100% an 86
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Who in the world said it has 217hp? or did someone say it might? or should. Or probably has. Or must have. Or will have? Certainly no one said "does"
All of the clickbaits that copy pasted Best car say it DOES

It is leaked official information. Leaked right out of somebody’s ass that is.

We still have no clue if they will use the 2.4 much less what HP it will have.
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GT86?
Yes. From 2017 to 2020.
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