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Old 02-09-2017, 02:05 PM   #15
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Thats ok the EL sound is the sound of power :P
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Truths. Had JDM Twinscroll EL goodness on my wrx. All the kiddies with the vf39 sti turbos were sad pandas.
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Doesn't apply here.

Doug's dyno with tomei (and catless?) and my Ace/350 dyno with JDL UQFP are nearly the same. Vit tuned both cars.

It's hard to argue with $/hp with the tomei and gruppe-s setups.
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Truths. Had JDM Twinscroll EL goodness on my wrx. All the kiddies with the vf39 sti turbos were sad pandas.
Different engine is different. I hate the UEL sound, but the Tomei gives all the power and all the torque for cheap. The downside is that it sounds like it's down a cylinder all the time :/

Edit: For reference, I went from Nameless to Tomei UEL, 100% satisfied with results.
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Yes i understand its a different motor. However both with el headers vs uel sound better and perform better at the rpm range you drive on a daily basis
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But I red line my car on a daily basis, all the time.
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But I red line my car on a daily basis, all the time.

Yes but where is 75% of your driving occuring.
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Yes i understand its a different motor. However both with el headers vs uel sound better and perform better at the rpm range you drive on a daily basis
Not on this platform. Also I'm a track junkie and @e1_griego is an autocrosser, so it's not like we're driving around at 2500rpm all day long. The Tomei UEL makes as much top end power and more torque than anything I've seen besides the Ace (which it ties)

http://blog.vittuned.com/just-a-coup...-vs-tomei-uel/
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Well this is interesting. I am on my 4th BRZ and I am going ACE 350 again. Previously i had the OFH and then the Tomei. Both were okay for the money. I never dynoed the Tomei. And truth be told, the dyno i did of the ACE was good, but i wasnt shocked by what i saw.

But there was no mistaking the ACE difference in response and power compared to the OFH and even the Tomei. All 3 of those were on MY15, my 13 BRZ was turboed so no dice.

I have never had the Nameless. But i am curious, which generation of header are they on now. I know they have refined their design at least a few times. And, it shows they keep finding more power. So good for them, my ACE goes on my 17 PP this weekend and i am still thrilled with the ACE performance. But if the dyno comparison is any indication of progress, good job Nameless.

I am a bit of an ACE fanboy, and those results make look twice at the nameless.
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Well this is interesting. I am on my 4th BRZ and I am going ACE 350 again. Previously i had the OFH and then the Tomei. Both were okay for the money. I never dynoed the Tomei. And truth be told, the dyno i did of the ACE was good, but i wasnt shocked by what i saw.

But there was no mistaking the ACE difference in response and power compared to the OFH and even the Tomei. All 3 of those were on MY15, my 13 BRZ was turboed so no dice.

I have never had the Nameless. But i am curious, which generation of header are they on now. I know they have refined their design at least a few times. And, it shows they keep finding more power. So good for them, my ACE goes on my 17 PP this weekend and i am still thrilled with the ACE performance. But if the dyno comparison is any indication of progress, good job Nameless.

I am a bit of an ACE fanboy, and those results make look twice at the nameless.
No dyno means off the shelf tune? Those results are meaningless when compared to a tune specifically calibrated for a single car (no, OFT and OFH combo doesn't count)
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Doug (Decay) and I had a similar Nameless experience -- still had a torque dip. Yes the peak numbers might be ok, but the whole point of the header/tune is getting more area under the curve. I was sucked in by their amazeballs dyno plot that turned out to be bullshit. I'm sure Doug's story is the same.

Like I posted, the Ace fixes that, and the Tomei fixes that. Is the Ace worth the extra money? Not really, only if UEL sound bothers you (like it does me).

Ultimately every header discussion is basically splitting hairs over 5whp....
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No dyno means off the shelf tune? Those results are meaningless when compared to a tune specifically calibrated for a single car (no, OFT and OFH combo doesn't count)
Well actually the Ace was a canned tune as well. I had dynoed the OFH ad OFT and the ACE. But none of my setups were dyno tuned, nor did any have any e-tune revisions. They were tunes that were canned, never specific to my car.
I simply put the car on a dyno to read power levels, thats it. No tuning was done on the dyno or otherwise.
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Ultimately every header discussion is basically splitting hairs over 5whp....
This is true. My previous BRZ was a track only car till it was destroyed. And, the ACE worked very well for me then
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Well actually the Ace was a canned tune as well. I had dynoed the OFH ad OFT and the ACE. But none of my setups were dyno tuned, nor did any have any e-tune revisions. They were tunes that were canned, never specific to my car.
I simply put the car on a dyno to read power levels, thats it. No tuning was done on the dyno or otherwise.
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