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11-28-2020, 02:08 PM | #981 | |
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Was not a fan so I definitely think it's much worse, it just didn't really seem all that inspiring of a car to me, similar to the lower end mustangs from 2015 and down. They just don't feel good to me at all, sluggish, porky, doesn't want to move unless its going straight. They have power, that's about it, and in the lower trim I was cross shopping, there was a lack of an LSD.
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I own one. So yeah.
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I just think it’s a popular car to rag on because people want to feel better about the twins, and because Chris Harris doesn’t like them (he also doesn’t like MX-5s either though so his opinion is hardly the last word, plus his expectations about car feel have been set by supercars). In any case, you don’t have to like them. As someone who has owned both an 86 and a 370Z, I appreciate them both, including their differences. |
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So did I, but rather than just taking his word for it, I went to the trouble of driving and eventually owning both cars. I’m likely to have put 1,000s of more km on both cars, in all kinds of weather and road conditions than Harris has.
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I suspect you are right though, the reason he loves the 86 so much is it gives him a hypercar light chassis that he enjoys drifting at low speeds because of the twin’s relatively low grip levels on stock tyres. He dislikes the Z because despite having higher limits, having more grip, faster corner speeds and more capability, it doesn’t break away as progressively in stock form. I disagree about drifting a twin on grippy tyres though. When you put wider, sticky compound track spec tyres on the twins, the easy driftability disappears, the relatively low power of the FA20 can make it hard to slide. Cornering grip and speeds increase, of course, but there goes a bit of the twin’s fun factor, low speed skids. But in any case, not everything is about drifting. If you are chasing track times you want the car with higher grip, higher cornering g, and of course, more power. Drifting makes track times worse. And in daily driving, you really shouldn’t be drifting on public roads... it is irresponsible although most of us are guilty of it. Plus, a sports car in the real world, owned by real people with real needs (rather than car reviewers who never have to own or daily the cars they drift around in for video) has to perform lots of duties, from commuting to touring, overtaking, cruising etc. The Z excels at all of these. Not that the twins are bad, but they are not as comfortable, not as torquey, not as refined. What irks me is dismissive statements like ‘Drives like a dog’ fails to cover any of these nuances and contexts, or understand different use cases. I would suggest people just need to understand what their priorities, needs and desires are in a car. Because different buyers prioritise differently. The fact I don’t want a heavy ass 800HP Hellcat Redeye doesn’t mean they are dogs - they are perfect for certain buyers, including those who like to go to the drag strip. Horses for courses. Last edited by Red-86; 11-28-2020 at 08:01 PM. |
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11-28-2020, 05:43 PM | #986 | |
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I do track the cars I own, but I never would intend for it to be a serious track built car as I don't have the flexibility of doing that yet in my current stage of life, so the one car I own needs to be reliable, drivable in winter, and the performance out of the box is very important to me as is the $$$ required to achieve such performance. So I'll stand by what I said, but clear it up for you, the base (2016/17) Canadian 370z drives like dog. Note: Chris doesn't much care for the new CTR and I now own one, so I have no need to feel better about the twins and their short comings.
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But Harris has some odd and strong opinions. He bags both the MX-5 and 370Z, two of the best budget sports cars available for the hoi polloi. As you say, he doesn’t care for the incredibly capable CTR, nor for the new Supra. It’s very hard for him to give praise to any affordable sports cars I think. 20 odd years of driving Porsches, Ferraris, Lambos, McLarens etc may have left him a little jaded. He seems to seek a very particular driving experience and connection with a car, and forms very strong opinions based on that alone, with little or no reference to affordability, reliability, comfort, daily drivability etc. When you are a famous car reviewer who gets sent exotic cars to drive all the time, and when you benchmark for a daily sports car is a 911 GT3 Touring, all the other regular car ownership considerations don’t really matter as much as ‘how fun is it to drift at 10/10ths’. |
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It's funny, there's even reviews saying the Nismo Z is a dinosaur. I thought it was still up there compared to competitors.
Anyway, the VQ isnt rev happy enough for me, and the seating position is too high. That's 2 strikes. Then there's the exterior Too bad, as a base to modify a stripped Z is a lot of car and if you're into 90's styling it has an interesting interior, but with nowhere near the character of the twins. As a company, I far prefer to deal with Toyota or Subaru so it worked out for me. Only company I'd avoid more than Nissan, maker of the cheapest possible small cars and CUVs, is Mazda, but that's personal.
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The MX5 is a funny car no doubt, stock i don't think I could really be happy with it as the body roll is immense despite what it is capable of stock. When you start modding the MX5 though, that's where I would then be considering one, the MX5 for me has a strong chance of being a second car down the road, depending on what the used market looks like... a car I don't have to worry about crashing into the track wall so I can keep pushing hard. The CTR and Supra are also funny. Obviously I like the CTR as I own one, but it definitely does feel like a bigger car than any other Civic generation I've driven. That aside, the numerous praise for the car isn't misplaced, so I would definitely agree he has become jaded over the years. The Supra, I actually don't like. It feels odd to me, the tail end, which I think there is actually something on it that pro drivers have been even complaining about.. it felt off. I had the opportunity to drive it on track with almost no traffic for a few laps, and had this strange sensation from the rear end making me feel less confident in it, kind of bouncy or airy rear end. But alas, I didn't get to push it as much as I wanted to, I was with an instructor and I think once he realized the pace I was approaching he said to let off as we are not here to set lap times ! Anyway, I will definitely agree he's gotten a bit of an unreasonable taste at times, but he's probably the best we have right now, other than some of the more unknown pro drivers out there that also happen to have a YouTube channel, Misha comes to mind. (He's still pretty well known though, I just don't think on the western side of the world)
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Has anyone photoshopped some basic color variations like red, dark grey and yellow?
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I just took a look at the front of the 2020 Escape and had a chuckle. Actually the headlights aren't even close and the hood where it meets the fender is very different. The shape of the front grille and the little black spoiler thingie are dead on though. I would never have caught that. I guess there will be a Mercury version in the US with a scowl to duplicate the Toyota version? Or maybe Lincoln MKX.
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