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10-14-2009, 01:42 PM | #1 |
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What is your prediction on FT86 power and Subaru 086a power?
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2L NA: 210 hp/170 lb-ft 2L Turbo: 260hp/240lb-ft Subaru: (assuming awd variant) 2.5L NA: 240hp/200lb-ft 2.5 Turbo: 300hp/290lb-ft |
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It all comes down to the weight which if its low won't need a honkin engine to power the car properly. And I see you predicted higher power for the subie 086a. Are we pretty sure that the subaru version will get more powerful engine? Why would that be? |
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Whatever it makes, the hp and tq will be much closer to the same value...
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We don't even know if the subbie version is going to have AWD, so I wouldn't speculate it gets the 2.5 all across the board.
The STI version will more than likely have the 2.5 though. |
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If suby doesn't have awd and gets a 2 liter for the base version then it's basically the same as the FT-86. This partnership would be wasted imo... cause they would be competing against each other.
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I wonder what the odds of a FT-86 Alltrac/GT-4 With the EJ20 and a Subaru WRX/STI Version of the 086A with the EJ25
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This engine with direct injection has been speculated to produce around 200 hp since it will probably have a higher CR. Do you mean 140-150 lb-ft? I don't think I have ever seen torque listed as ftlbs/L in any car literature. The base 2.0L with AVCS makes around 141 of torque. Would be a pretty weak increase of only 9 lb-ft with direct injection and internal improvements...
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with the 2.0 i'd expect around 165hp to 180 and around 160lbs of tq
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The real enthusiasts will buy the Toyota and do an engine swap :p
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For purposes of comparison, the DI version of the Cadillac CTS 3.6L makes 76 ftlbs/L while the non-DI version makes 70 ftlbs/L. The S2000's handbuilt F20c made 76 ftlbs/L. Honda's cheaper 2L K20Z3 engine (in the Civic Si) gets about 70 ftlbs/L (similar to the AVCS you mentioned). If Honda had added DI to the F20c, it'd probably get above 80 ftlbs/L, but keep in mind that's an expensive engine. If they add DI to the Civic Si, I'd expect ~75 ftlbs/L. Anyway, since the FT-86 is intended to be reasonably priced, I would be surprised if it attains the 85 ftlbs/L (in NA trim) that you predicted. |
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True it could be a high prediction, but in the same token your prediction that it could fall in the 140 range seems somewhat low since the base is already making 141 lb-ft. Maybe it will actually fall somewhere in between 150-170 range. The IS 350 DI can hit 79 lb-ft/L and that's a pretty common motor. If there is reworked internals and DI for added to the engine then it might have a great effect on torque output. Edit: the example of the cts with DI, hasn't the torque increased by 20 lb-ft compared to the base version with VVT? Hopefully they can extract similar gains on the boxer. Last edited by 86Fan; 10-15-2009 at 01:14 PM. |
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