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It should stay naturally aspirated but built to be able to handle the FI upgrades people will inevitably do. NA is more sporting IMO. I don't know maybe because the engine should be able to handle it offer FI as an option, possibly dealer installed, so that the systems are designed to play well together but I don't think it's necessary across the board. The interior should stay clean and simple other than a far better head unit and more adjustments on the front seats including lumbar supports. Slightly bigger and better brakes, again in anticipation of people adding power. An easily adjustable suspension to accommodate different driving styles and needs but it doesn't have to be electronic, I'd be ok with a mechanical adjustment, so it keeps the cost down and keeps it more reliable.
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I did. Meaningless comparisons to other vehicles are meaningless
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Who says the axles and diff have enough overhead? Word of mouth? The fact that they don't break for some does not mean they have enough safety margin for the manufacturer. I highly doubt that most of the drivetrain would meet any sort of reliability margin with a 300hp stock engine.
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Most car prediction sites; "we know that Subaru’s platform will be nixed to make room for Toyota’s TNGA platform. We thought this was the case before, but now we know why (and we probably should have seen this coming.) Subaru’s platform just isn’t suitable for RWD cars."
I have to LOL at this....looks like the SGP would easily work with a RWD setup...just like the previous generation platform did on the current car. And I've attached my "guesses" as to some of the 2nd gen's details....we can compare when the "official" details are released.
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I just want a MSP version...
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Why would we? Its not really -that- big of a deal anyways. If you're driving crazily then you're keeping it above ~4500rpm, and if you're actually trying to save gas while driving in town, you'd be following the old "shift at 3000" gas miser mantra. Both points are utilizing max torque. At least this car makes enough torque that low down that you can still scoot around town while shifting early and not feel like you're driving an 80's econo 4cylinder. Looks like I predicted the correct HP though. |
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Was more a poke at the debate on the torque than a critique.
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Which route we going? Affordable or expensive? Expensive: Not much really, just use lighter higher cost materials to keep weight down where it can be. Overall cost to the end consumer would probably price it out of any competitive range though. Affordable: Everything gets bigger. If we were to say a baseline 270hp, a ~26% bump in overall power over the previous generation, then yes you can expect some girth. Bigger brakes all around, half-shafts, driveshaft, beefed up transmission, beefed up suspension, beefed up rear differential, and then further reinforcements to the chassis to handle the increased total weight and power. Then finally you have either A) The bigger engine B) A longblock that weighs nearly the same as the outgoing engine, but has the weight additions of then entirety of the new turbo system. It's a lot of little somethings that adds hundreds of pounds to the final curb weight. On their first try (the current gen) they could barely muster a hair under 2800lbs on a car utilizing 200hp. Honestly, I was kinda surprised by that number when it was first released before realizing that with modern NHTSA standards, there's a lot of added crap enthusiast drivers don't want or need that the manufacturers simply can't get around, especially at its initial ~$25k MSRP offering point, where using the more expensive lighter materials is simply not an option. This is sort of a moot point though, as the rumors of the next gen car using a different chassis platform haven't been confirmed or denied. If they end up using a completely different platform, instead of modifying the current one, then we're basically back at scratch figuring out what the final weight would be. |
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I wouldn't say meaningless. Just blown out of proportion. You can work around it, or if you're already used to driving torqueless peppy 4cylinders of yesteryear (4A-GE) then it doesn't really bother you to have to constantly down shift into the power band so you can accelerate, pass, etc. But I won't discount a beautiful flat torque curve. My MK3 Supra had that. Push all the way to 5500 ish. Kind of like how "slow" the twins are. They're out gunned by other cars in the price range concerning overall power, and can be beat in drag races against said cars, but they're not slow cars by any means. Last edited by OldSkoolToys; 02-17-2020 at 08:55 PM. |
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The fact is that Subaru and Toyota made Subaru's platform work for the 86 when all Subaru was producing was FWD and AWD cars. In fact, if we compare the engine bays of a 2013 WRX to a 2013 86, it would also seem that the architecture wouldn't be compatible.
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