Two schools of thoughts Miata and 86 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

RichardsFRS · 08-10-2016, 12:41 PM

Why is the Miata less powerful but every thinks is fast, cool quick fun spirited, great handling and the list goes on

Talk to anyone about the FRS or BRZ, THAT CAR IS TO SLOW. Why aren't fun cool fast quick, spirited great handling and the list goes on. We know we are but the consensus is SLOW and no one looks past it.

I've never thought the Miata was fast or quick, excluding the Mazda speed. I think its because when it came out it was fast and quick, but today you have to live up to pseudo race cars to be fast.

I still would like to drive one and if my wife gets her way I may lol. But having two impractical sportscars would suck if we didn't have a utility vehicle

MarkR171 · 08-10-2016, 12:49 PM

The 86 is slow. The Miata (ND) is quicker. They're both good cars. The 86 has a fixed roof and a "back seat" with a transmission that doesn't blow up.

FX86 · 08-10-2016, 12:50 PM

because miata owners/fans/enthusiast are usually mature adults...the 86 attracts dumb ass kids that think the ford mustang v6 their mommy&daddy bought is the best car in the world because it's so fast in a straight line ..."mine does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds...your car is slow as crap"

arrow34 · 08-10-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FX86

because miata owners/fans/enthusiast are usually mature adults...the 86 attracts dumb ass kids that think the ford mustang v6 their mommy&daddy bought is the best car in the world because it's so fast in a straight line ..."mine does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds...your car is slow as crap"

What he said... plus those dumb kids think going fast in a straight line is COOL. Not that you can take a corner at 30-40mph and it can break loose and that just passing and driving around this car makes you smile....

But not having driven a Miata... I am not sure why some would say that about a Miata(being fast or fun). Watch fresh off the boat....

Hopefully someone gets that. Anyway- I have gotten the same thing when I mention I bought a frs. Man that needs some more power... I said no not really for my purposes. I have handed my keys over to some Mercedes benz guys and had them take it for a spin, changes their minds after driving it around.

finch1750 · 08-10-2016, 01:23 PM

It is very different. I have an MR2 Spyder and have driven Miatas. They feel faster then they are imo. I can take most roads/turns at higher speeds in the FRS even thoigh it feels slower.

There is no way to duplicate lightness. Simple as that. It's what leaves me torn about keeping or selling the spyder

Summerwolf · 08-10-2016, 01:24 PM

A mazdaspeed Miata is pretty slow too.... buuuttt they're the easiest to make fun. Flyin' Miata has kits to make 300+ WHP for reasonable prices.

A lot of the cars this forum dogs on for being "straight line" vehicles can take corners too.

weederr33 · 08-10-2016, 01:30 PM

I always love the argument our cars need 300+ horse power. People always chant on about how it needs that much. But it seems absurd to try and explain that something like that would no longer be a "cheap fun car" and instead make it an exotic fast and expensive car. It boggles my mind why people don't understand that. It's a $26k car for god sake!
Though I'd probably buy one with a factory turbo for $40k, but then it would be limited to those who would/ could buy it. And again, it wouldn't be competing with cars like the miata. It would be competing directly with something like the Porsche 718.

MrDinkleman · 08-10-2016, 01:33 PM

Why is the Miata less powerful but every thinks is fast, cool quick fun spirited, great handling and the list goes on

First of all, nobody thinks the Miata, at least any factory-stock Miata except the MSM, is fast or quick. They are cool in general because they are convertibles and for the motorheads they are cool because they are RWD two seater convertibles. And you can't deny they are fun; I can't even deny they are fun and I don't like convertibles. And the handling is great.

Having said that, the Twins are everything Miatas are except for the drop top.

I have a 10th Anniversary Model (1999) Miata and to me, they are equals in terms of driving fun/dynamics although the Twins are, of course, quieter and more rigid.

Atticus808 · 08-10-2016, 01:40 PM

sometimes after i'm done taking a turn at the top of 2nd or 3rd or 4th, i think to myself that i would never get rid of this car for something faster. You drive faster cars harder and you are going like 10000000 kmph over the speed limit.

[YOYO] · 08-10-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33

I always love the argument our cars need 300+ horse power. People always chant on about how it needs that much. But it seems absurd to try and explain that something like that would no longer be a "cheap fun car" and instead make it an exotic fast and expensive car. It boggles my mind why people don't understand that. It's a $26k car for god sake!
Though I'd probably buy one with a factory turbo for $40k, but then it would be limited to those who would/ could buy it. And again, it wouldn't be competing with cars like the miata. It would be competing directly with something like the Porsche 718.

Well said sir. I am way past the 'FR-S / BRZ are slow' thing. It's just laughable to me. My previous car was quicker in the straights, but I don't care. Straight line speed has nothing to do with this platform, and I'm having STUPID amounts of fun just driving it.

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sometimes after i'm done taking a turn at the top of 2nd or 3rd or 4th, i think to myself that i would never get rid of this car for something faster. You drive faster cars harder and you are going like 10000000 kmph over the speed limit.

Exactly. This car keeps things fun and helps you stay out of trouble at the same time.

mdm · 08-10-2016, 01:43 PM

I understand now how this forum got to 2.5 million posts. People just keep saying/discussing the same few things over and over again

FX86 · 08-10-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm

I understand now how this forum got to 2.5 million posts. People just keep saying/discussing the same few things over and over again

questions remain the same and so do the answers

Yoshoobaroo · 08-10-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR171

The 86 is slow. The Miata (ND) is quicker. They're both good cars. The 86 has a fixed roof and a "back seat" with a transmission that doesn't blow up.

The ND posts a quicker 0-60 because of its tires. On the same tires, the 86 would be just as quick if not a bit quicker.

Apex-Apex · 08-10-2016, 01:47 PM

In all honestly, these cars do need more power stock. At least 50whp MINIMUM.

08-10-2016, 12:41 PM	#1
RichardsFRS Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Drives: 2013 Pearl White 6MT Location: Gainesville Ga Posts: 938 Thanks: 5 Thanked 356 Times in 246 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Two schools of thoughts Miata and 86 Why is the Miata less powerful but every thinks is fast, cool quick fun spirited, great handling and the list goes on Talk to anyone about the FRS or BRZ, THAT CAR IS TO SLOW. Why aren't fun cool fast quick, spirited great handling and the list goes on. We know we are but the consensus is SLOW and no one looks past it. I've never thought the Miata was fast or quick, excluding the Mazda speed. I think its because when it came out it was fast and quick, but today you have to live up to pseudo race cars to be fast. I still would like to drive one and if my wife gets her way I may lol. But having two impractical sportscars would suck if we didn't have a utility vehicle __________________ Back from bancation in Banopolis where I laid on the beach with a beer between my legs. I at night and ate at sun rise

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finch1750 Undisputed El Presidente Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Zenki 37J ZN6 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 11,571 Thanks: 9,382 Thanked 9,397 Times in 5,261 Posts Mentioned: 374 Post(s) Tagged: 33 Thread(s)	It is very different. I have an MR2 Spyder and have driven Miatas. They feel faster then they are imo. I can take most roads/turns at higher speeds in the FRS even thoigh it feels slower. There is no way to duplicate lightness. Simple as that. It's what leaves me torn about keeping or selling the spyder __________________ "Just like how a strut bar somehow enables you to corner 20MPH faster around a cloverleaf on-ramp, when the reality is, you can do it already but you just don't have to balls to do it." - CSG David

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weederr33 Airborne at your service Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: '17 BRZ Series.Yellow Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 6,326 Thanks: 4,529 Thanked 5,587 Times in 2,929 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I always love the argument our cars need 300+ horse power. People always chant on about how it needs that much. But it seems absurd to try and explain that something like that would no longer be a "cheap fun car" and instead make it an exotic fast and expensive car. It boggles my mind why people don't understand that. It's a $26k car for god sake! Though I'd probably buy one with a factory turbo for $40k, but then it would be limited to those who would/ could buy it. And again, it wouldn't be competing with cars like the miata. It would be competing directly with something like the Porsche 718. __________________ Series.Yellowbird - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122135 MS, CSCS, TSAC-F, CPT

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Apex-Apex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: ONTARIO CA Posts: 650 Thanks: 208 Thanked 393 Times in 213 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	In all honestly, these cars do need more power stock. At least 50whp MINIMUM. __________________ Varis 2JZ Build Thread IG: @apexapexapex

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