Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Kona61

Well no, it’s a better sports car as long as you don’t HAVE to drive it.

That’s kinda besides the point for a sports car no? The BRZ is the kind of car that makes me want to drive it every day.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That’s kinda besides the point for a sports car no? The BRZ is the kind of car that makes me want to drive it every day.

I’d disagree. I’d say a Lotus Eise is one of the best sports cars out there but they are absolutely horrible in terms of anything besides fun.

But, there is a reason I’m looking at these versus a ND2. It’s because I have to drive it places other than canyons or racetracks.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Miata/Fiata.
Lighter, better suspension design, basically as quick in a straight line, it's a better sports car hands down.

But I don't want a convertible so FRS it is, more practical as an only car due to the storage space.

Disagree.

The jury is still out, no one has done any significant testing with these cars back to back - outside of a single qtr mile test where james did a 7 second 0-60 (that he thinks was perfect... :/) and still won.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Disagree.

The jury is still out, no one has done any significant testing with these cars back to back - outside of a single qtr mile test where james did a 7 second 0-60 (that he thinks was perfect... :/) and still won.

I thought Camissa posted a tweed saying they clocked it going 0-60 in 5.6s with a 1ft rollout on primacies?

Edit: I’m leaving it, posting a tweed is much funnier than tweet.

[strat61caster]

Sports cars aren't about 0-60 (shocked I have to say this in an 86 forum), the ND/Fiata will still be 400# lighter with better suspension design.

If you want a commuter car then say so, don't pretend this is the best sports car on the market, it's not, but it's a damn good compromise.

[wbradley]

I guess I should have written find a better, less expensive and somewhat practical sports car.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If you want a commuter car then say so, don't pretend this is the best sports car on the market, it's not, but it's a damn good compromise.

Well, I want a sports car I can use as a commuter (which is what a large percentage of buyers of NEW sports cars at this price range want). Of course, better is subjective, and I've made no secret that I think there is nothing better about a Miata, so there is that.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, I want a sports car I can use as a commuter (which is what a large percentage of buyers of NEW sports cars at this price range want). Of course, better is subjective, and I've made no secret that I think there is not better about a Miata, so there is that.

Doesn't sound like you actually want a sports car to me but go ahead and live your best life. You shouldn't need my approval.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Sports cars aren't about 0-60 (shocked I have to say this in an 86 forum), the ND/Fiata will still be 400# lighter with better suspension design.

If you want a commuter car then say so, don't pretend this is the best sports car on the market, it's not, but it's a damn good compromise.

No, but I'm pointing out his launch was very very bad, and he still reeled in the MX5 over the qtr -which is the comparison I was responding to.

Like I said, I'd disagree with anyone who thinks right now that the MX5 is hands down a better sports car. We have had very little data between them, and what we have had has been pretty lame.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Doesn't sound like you actually want a sports car to me but go ahead and live your best life. You shouldn't need my approval.

Not everything is this black and white. I want a sports car that I can fit my kids in and I want to drive it every day. That doesn’t mean I want a ‘commuter car’. After daily driving my BRZ, my 335i bores me as a DD. Sure it’s fast, but it’s nowhere near as much fun to me. The BRZ is IMO the most fun you can have in a DD-able, practical enough car. Those thresholds are different for different people. Practical enough for me isn’t practical enough for someone else, or vice versa.

Doesn’t help that I’m too tall for a Miata

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Timing chains, lifters, valves, piston rings....you were lucky to get to 100k.

My pain with cars that are end if 00 or early 10s is electrical. When the gremlins start working, it is a pain. My car has 120k miles, great mechanically, paint is amazing, holding very well without rust, but The electrical side gives much headaches. To be fair, I was able to remove all dtcs (it had 64 that did show in 2019), but I am afraid how many may be back during winter.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Doesn't sound like you actually want a sports car to me but go ahead and live your best life. You shouldn't need my approval.

And you don't need mine either, so its all good.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I guess I should have written find a better, less expensive and somewhat practical sports car.

I think you're right... there simply isn't one. I've driven Miatas, including some pretty "built" ones, and an S2000. Given the driving I do and the skills I have (or lack thereof), I actually enjoyed the stock Miatas more than the ones built for racing. The S2000 was a blast to drive. My stock '13 FRS doesn't have that last 5% "I'm driving a PURE sports car" feel, maybe, but it's still a LOT of fun and certainly feels like a sports car in handling and layout.

And... I drive it all year round in the snow/salt belt of Syracuse.
And.. I use it for gigging, loading a full 88-key heavy keyboard, an SWR Workingman 12 amp, a smaller amp, crate with cords, throne, keyboard stand, music stand, mic stands, blah blah blah in it.
And.. my wife and I tent camp in it, loading a fairly large tent, cooler, stove, and enough other gear to have a great time in the OBX for a week or two.
And ... I take my wife and my Kelpie to local establishments for fun, foam, and frolic frequently in it.

None of those things are possible with a miata or S2000 (well, with snows, winter driving would work, although parking outside in the snow belt with a soft top to clear off would concern me.. but none of the hauling stuff).


And.. when I'm not doing any of that... it's still a fun, cheap, manual, RWD sports car. It's that WHEN I'm doing all of that.

Nothing else can do all of that. I admit I was a little disappointed when my 325i finally got eaten by salt, and I couldn't another one that wasn't ridiculously priced (was looking for an E36 specifically). "Settled" for the FRS, even though I'd never heard of it, because it popped up when I was searching specifically for RWD/manual. Enjoyed the test drive and figured it'd do, but wasn't as hooked then as I am now, 70K miles and six years later.

I will buy another one when this one finally succumbs to our winters. It'll be a while.

[Akatzu]

Reason I'm holding is to see how well I can modify mine to compete with the newer version now that my warranty is gone. Although that stiffer chassis idk how I'd compete with that one, I read somewhere that it has a 50% stiffer chassis compared to the 1st gen along with a slightly longer wheel base I believe (I could be wrong I did read it somewhere). There's also all the R&D the new gen would need so if I pick the 2nd gen 4-6 years from now I'd have a good list of mods alo see how the new engine does.