Would the 1st gen steering rack fit 2nd Gen

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Powersfrs

My 2022 BRZ felt worst stock!
My buddy has a stock 2022 gr86 and we’ve drove my modified 2022 BRZ and his 2022 gr86 back to back and my set up improved steering significantly but not as good as the 2017 BRZ. Ive done all the experiments possible to rule out tires suspension but at the end Toyota really did change the steering feel.

Is there much difference between the GR86 and ‘22 BRZ steering feel? I was hoping with the GR86 it might have better steering feel than the ‘22 BRZ, due to the different suspension set up. Unfortunately the GR86 isn’t available here yet, not for another few months anyway, so I won’t be test driving it for a while.

[Decep]

I would expect the heavier steering knuckle to impart a bit of heft but it's really not that big a difference on paper.

[dragoontwo]

As I posted in another thread, I looked at the part number on the steering rack bushings on the '22. The number is 34112CC000. They changed the bushing. I don't know what they did as I didn't remove it. That part number doesn't come up in a parts search on the Subaru website.

[drift86]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

As I posted in another thread, I looked at the part number on the steering rack bushings on the '22. The number is 34112CC000. They changed the bushing. I don't know what they did as I didn't remove it. That part number doesn't come up in a parts search on the Subaru website.

I remember some of the prelaunch videos for the 22 mentioned that they stiffened the steering bushing to improve feel. Wonder how it compares to aftermarket ones like cusco.

I had delrin steering rack bushings on my first gen and it did improve the steering feel with no downsides at all.

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by drift86

I remember some of the prelaunch videos for the 22 mentioned that they stiffened the steering bushing to improve feel. Wonder how it compares to aftermarket ones like cusco.

I had delrin steering rack bushings on my first gen and it did improve the steering feel with no downsides at all.

I kept the delrin bushings that I used on my first gen in case I wanted to change them out. I haven't found a need to...... yet.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Is there much difference between the GR86 and ‘22 BRZ steering feel? I was hoping with the GR86 it might have better steering feel than the ‘22 BRZ, due to the different suspension set up. Unfortunately the GR86 isn’t available here yet, not for another few months anyway, so I won’t be test driving it for a while.

I suspect OP is being a bit hyperbolic.

[Powersfrs]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I suspect OP is being a bit hyperbolic.

My opinion on the feel of the steering is between 10 other folks aswell who tested all cars during the same day and time…so maybe we’re all being hyperbolic or we’re crazy……or there’s the difference in feel we noticed.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by Decep

I would expect the heavier steering knuckle to impart a bit of heft but it's really not that big a difference on paper.

This was reported early in Japanese articles. That steel knuckles were used for better steering feel in the GR86. This was also laughed off in some other groups. But I had a Lotus Elise. Weight obsessed. Aluminum everything. But steel knuckles. No clue but find that curious.

[mike2100]

Originally Posted by PBR

This was reported early in Japanese articles. That steel knuckles were used for better steering feel in the GR86. This was also laughed off in some other groups. But I had a Lotus Elise. Weight obsessed. Aluminum everything. But steel knuckles. No clue but find that curious.

1st gen had the same steel knuckles, which means that Subaru spent R&D money when switching to aluminum (no R&D to re-use the steel knuckle). If aluminum = less steering feel then what would be the advantage of switching to aluminum?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Powersfrs

My opinion on the feel of the steering is between 10 other folks aswell who tested all cars during the same day and time…so maybe we’re all being hyperbolic or we’re crazy……or there’s the difference in feel we noticed.

A difference, yes. But you're being a bit over the top about how "OMG it's totally different and sucks"

[PBR]

Originally Posted by mike2100

1st gen had the same steel knuckles, which means that Subaru spent R&D money when switching to aluminum (no R&D to re-use the steel knuckle). If aluminum = less steering feel then what would be the advantage of switching to aluminum?

NVH and ride quality. Aluminum is not just for performance. But less unsprung weight which is why I prefer them. It is a more premium part. Aluminum is also harder for techs to deal with. So Toyota may have just cheaped out and woke up the marketing department. Don't know.

Edit: I'll also add that my Evora had aluminum knuckles and it was obviously more comfort biased. But here's the real funny part. An Evora has better steering feel than an Elise. Swear to God. Best I've ever felt. So yeah. No clue lmao.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

I did a short drive in a 2022 BRZ today, and I felt that the steering wasn't as good as my 2018. Obviously lighter, it did feel less twitchy and less direct. Can't comment on outright communicativeness, but for non-10/10 driving I liked the old gen steering more. Also, on center feel was worse, with a noticeably wider dead zone. If the old steering rack is a direct fit, at the very least it should help with the on center feel.

Originally Posted by PBR

Edit: I'll also add that my Evora had aluminum knuckles and it was obviously more comfort biased. But here's the real funny part. An Evora has better steering feel than an Elise. Swear to God. Best I've ever felt. So yeah. No clue lmao.

This is interesting, and not the first time I heard that the Evora has better steering than the Elise. I haven't drove an Evora, but have drove an Elise and I will be really shocked to find out that any car can top the Elise for steering feel. I guess that if any car can, it would be another Lotus. Now I need to go find an Evora to take for a spin...

[PBR]

I had 2 Elises. I'd take an Evora without question. It's so much stiffer. Why I'll always take an 86 over an MX5. They're very different but the Evora is the best sports car I've ever driven and my brother owned an E30 M3 and I've had a bunch of pure driver's cars like a 993/997/987, etc.

[PBR]

Evora is a great car to drive. Ownership? Yeah. Never again. Also lost a 997.1 to IMS bearing failure in 2017. Total write off. Evora is engine out to replace the clutch and stuff like that. Parts weren't readily available. And very expensive. Interior was falling apart. If you want to track one then pick a bank and rob it hahaha. Anyone see why I think the twins are just about perfect? If Lotus had made a small, rwd 2+2 I imagine it wouldn't be too far off an 86. The BRZ even has the 60's Lotus Elan smile just like the og MX5. Which is a straight up homage to the Elan.