Estimated Price..

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Axel

I agree with OldSchoolToys that probably 200hp might be all this car needs to have a whale of fun... I just wonder how much the Subie engine (even with the dual injection) will "rev freely"... and what the rpm limit will be... we shall see!

Pretty sure it can rev up to 8k without problem. Even old GC series STI revved up to 8,250rpm (I can't remember exact revving #, but it's over 8k for sure). Just US ver always been 6,500rpm. If Toyota make the some internal engine parts then, I'm pretty sure it can rev high.

[NESW20]

it seems (to me, at least, especially after having personally rebuilt one) that the main thing keeping the revs low on the US spec 2.5L Subaru flat 4 is its COMPLETE inability in stock form to make power any higher than 6000 or so. with a better flowing head and cams it should easily rev to 7500 or so. everything inside the engine seemed fairly light.

-Mike

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by NESW20

i hope you guys realize that the flat 4 in the FT86 will *likely* be quite different than the flat 4s in current subarus. i'd be extremely surprised if toyota didn't put better heads on, at the very least. and probably run a little higher compression.

-Mike

i hope so

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NESW20

it seems (to me, at least, especially after having personally rebuilt one) that the main thing keeping the revs low on the US spec 2.5L Subaru flat 4 is its COMPLETE inability in stock form to make power any higher than 6000 or so. with a better flowing head and cams it should easily rev to 7500 or so. everything inside the engine seemed fairly light.

-Mike

Huh? Sorry, you lost me here. New JDM STI has 2.5L H4 engine that is revving up to 8k rpm... while USDM STI is revving up to 6.5k rpm (just like my RS). I thought, it was something to do with ECU that stopping it from going higher rpm for US STI.

[NESW20]

oh, i was talking about the n/a ej25 in USDM vehicles, such as legacy's (one friend of mine has an '01 LGT) and imprezas (gf drives '07 2.5i manual). it feels to me like there's just not much power toward redline (in stock form, like i said in my other post), so there's no reason for the engine to rev any higher.

-Mike

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NESW20

oh, i was talking about the n/a ej25 in USDM vehicles, such as legacy's (one friend of mine has an '01 LGT) and imprezas (gf drives '07 2.5i manual). it feels to me like there's just not much power toward redline (in stock form, like i said in my other post), so there's no reason for the engine to rev any higher.

-Mike

Ah~ gotcha. I had mine ECU re-map by iSpeed and can rev up just lil pass 6,750rpm, and don't have much loose power at the end, actually it engine pushes more around the 6,200rpm (my friend call it SVtec = Subaru Vtec lol). True that stock NA 2.5L H4 engine, feels like losing near redline.

[SLeRoux92]

i only want the base so 22k is fine for me, any higher is getting a bit pricey. but i do hope it has ~250hp, just for going straight anyways

[no_name]

Originally Posted by SLeRoux92

but i do hope it has ~250hp, just for going straight anyways

Trust me, a 2400lb car doesn't need 250hp. If the new one is anything close the old weight, 250 would just be silly. 112hp in the old car felt like a lot when it was screaming at 7.5k rpm. I miss that so much.

Back on topic, it's only current competitor, the Gen Coupe, is base 22k so I'm assuming toyota will aim for that. The Genesis is also much larger, more powerful and probably way better equipped than the FT will be so Toyota might even go cheaper than that. I can hope. Also the Miata is 23.5k and the FT might be aimed squarely at that little guy, so that's the base range for sure.

[Bochet]

2.0L Boxer, 200HP@7200RPM (7500 redline), 2500lbs, starting at $20,000USD

USDM NA EJ25s with cams can make power almost all the way to the aforementioned 6750 redline. The JDM EJs turbo'd spin up around 8K.

[YourFearlessLeader]

just to get back on topic here...

Im going to say the price will start at $19,999
and a fully loaded model (assuming it stays toyota and not a scion), will be around $26,000

If it goes to scion, then the price can really get ridiculous, as individual parts from the dealer will be EXPENSIVE.

For example with the Scion tC, if you wanted the Supercharger, LSD, and lip kit from the factory, you would have to pay..

$3200 - Supercharger
$800 - install
$1200 - LSD
$1000 - install
$1000 - lip kit

Thats an extra $7200 plus tax, for a car that costs $17,760. Thats $25k.

And still not fully loaded.

Want coilovers? Add another $1,000
BBK? $1000
Sway bar? $200
Short shifter? $300
Navigation? $1500
18" Wheels? $1300

Thats another $5000

Who the hell in their right mind would pay 30K for a fully loaded scion? Not I. This is where Scion fails.

[Axel]

^^ does sound like craziness..

[gt-jerome]

anybody knows when the price (europeen price if it's possible) will be announced???

I can't keep on seeing all the new pictures of this car everyday on this forum and imagine i couldn't buy it

[Abflug]

Originally Posted by gt-jerome

I can't keep on seeing all the new pictures of this car everyday on this forum and imagine i couldn't buy it

somehow I think so too!

[PAImportTuner]

Not that you can't, the question is if you want to spend so much for this car. That is my issue I can buy an 2011 STi or 370Z if I wanted right now, but I don't care to. I held off on the R-Spec Genesis for this car.. I actually really want to wait for the New 1.6L Rotary Mazda RX9 but I've waited long enough and want a new car already.

So I want something NEW, cheap, rwd and fun. If Scion/Subaru doesn't produce this I'm getting a damn used 2010' R Spec 2.0T Genesis and calling it quits.