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Old 03-28-2023, 08:12 AM   #15
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They won’t add a turbo… the whole reason they used a boxer is to mount the engine low in the engine bay and far back towards firewall is for close to 50/50 weight distribution.

I think most people complaining about power doesn’t have tight twisty roads or understand why this car was built. Sometimes you have to appreciate cars at face value.

If they added a turbo and didn’t upset the close to 50/50 weight distribution then expect them costing another 10k or in the low 40s. Then the car would lose its appeal because you could spend a little more and get a substantially better built vehicle.

For its price point/performance/looks it has a great niche in the price point market.
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Give it 10 years, they'll slap the STI badge on something.
It's unlikely there will still be the twins in 10 years.

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They won’t add a turbo… the whole reason they used a boxer is to mount the engine low in the engine bay and far back towards firewall is for close to 50/50 weight distribution.

I think most people complaining about power doesn’t have tight twisty roads or understand why this car was built. Sometimes you have to appreciate cars at face value.

If they added a turbo and didn’t upset the close to 50/50 weight distribution then expect them costing another 10k or in the low 40s. Then the car would lose its appeal because you could spend a little more and get a substantially better built vehicle.

For its price point/performance/looks it has a great niche in the price point market.
If you actually look in the engine bay, the back of the engine isn't very close to the firewall at all. The bellhousing is completely visible.

That's why it's more like 53/47 vs 50/50.
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This same thing has been posted every single year since 2012.

THE TURBO VERSION/TOYOTA ENGINE/NEW PLATFORM IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER

This just ain't gonna' happen and everybody is just feeding the clickbait bank account during a slow news period by reading about it.

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Give it 10 years, they'll slap the STI badge on something.
A Solterra-like varient will be the next Subaru to recieve the STI badge.....
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This same thing has been posted every single year since 2012.

THE TURBO VERSION/TOYOTA ENGINE/NEW PLATFORM IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER

This just ain't gonna' happen and everybody is just feeding the clickbait bank account during a slow news period by reading about it.

Around the corner is another corner, and another and another....etc.

Eventually you realize you are just going around in a circle, and getting nowhere.
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Never. Gonna. Happen.

We will likely never even get an STi again.
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They won’t add a turbo… the whole reason they used a boxer is to mount the engine low in the engine bay and far back towards firewall is for close to 50/50 weight distribution.

I think most people complaining about power doesn’t have tight twisty roads or understand why this car was built. Sometimes you have to appreciate cars at face value.

If they added a turbo and didn’t upset the close to 50/50 weight distribution then expect them costing another 10k or in the low 40s. Then the car would lose its appeal because you could spend a little more and get a substantially better built vehicle.

For its price point/performance/looks it has a great niche in the price point market.
Well a 3-pot is short enough and the engine bay is wide enough they can slant it to get the required hood clearance. You can mount the turbo low as well.

With that said, why oh why would go through the reengineering and put a more expensive engine in a car, when its supply already doesn't meet demand ?

Plus the usual things: adding a turbo, 50% of torque and 30% of power means upscaling the brakes, tires and chassis, plus reengineering the 3-pot to work in a longitudinal slanted layout.
-> Boom, your 86 is now a $45 000 car. And it's competing against Zs, Supras, V8 mustangs, Alpines, Emiras, Caymans, etc.
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Give it 10 years, they'll slap the STI badge on something.
They'll create an STI-line trim with pink accents, black rims and STI-line badging. Available on your CVT 2.0 Impreza.
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Do I see changes like this coming for the BRZ/86 platform? Yes. In 2025? Nope.

As someone else already identified, 2025 is only three years into this generation's run, and I can't see Toyota and Subaru overhauling the car to that extent in this generation. What they are talking about is a generational change not something you'd toss in the car in the middle of it's lifecycle. Due to all the production and ordering problems, they are likely a long way from recouping developmental costs from what we have on the market now, let along a massive change like what is described in the article.

I an see a tubro/hybrid powertrain coming. That isn't hard to believe. What I don't like is the idea of using the IS platform. Those cars are overwheight pigs as is. Both the coupe and the sedan would actually be really great driving cars if they weren't hamstrung by weight and anemic engines (exception of the V8). Using that platform in any shape with a high-strung 1.6L engine would really be a bad idea.

Bring on the new engine, I'd be welling to see how it shapes up. However, PLEASE don't cram it in a variation of the IS platform.
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Pink?! Heresy! It's cherry blossom red!
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Do I see changes like this coming for the BRZ/86 platform? Yes. In 2025? Nope.

As someone else already identified, 2025 is only three years into this generation's run, and I can't see Toyota and Subaru overhauling the car to that extent in this generation. What they are talking about is a generational change not something you'd toss in the car in the middle of it's lifecycle. Due to all the production and ordering problems, they are likely a long way from recouping developmental costs from what we have on the market now, let along a massive change like what is described in the article.

I an see a tubro/hybrid powertrain coming. That isn't hard to believe. What I don't like is the idea of using the IS platform. Those cars are overwheight pigs as is. Both the coupe and the sedan would actually be really great driving cars if they weren't hamstrung by weight and anemic engines (exception of the V8). Using that platform in any shape with a high-strung 1.6L engine would really be a bad idea.

Bring on the new engine, I'd be welling to see how it shapes up. However, PLEASE don't cram it in a variation of the IS platform.
With upcoming mandates regarding EVs, it's very hard to believe. I don't see Toyota/Subaru spending the amount of money it would take re-engineer the platform and make it wildly more expensive when the entire goal is to be an affordable 2+2 sports car.

They will make a few small updates over the model run, maybe a few special editions with exclusive colors and such.

I expect this platform to maybe last as long as the first gen and then it will gone for good. Unless they just use the badge for a 4-door EV, ala Ford Mustang Mach E.
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Well a 3-pot is short enough and the engine bay is wide enough they can slant it to get the required hood clearance. You can mount the turbo low as well.

With that said, why oh why would go through the reengineering and put a more expensive engine in a car, when its supply already doesn't meet demand ?

Plus the usual things: adding a turbo, 50% of torque and 30% of power means upscaling the brakes, tires and chassis, plus reengineering the 3-pot to work in a longitudinal slanted layout.
-> Boom, your 86 is now a $45 000 car. And it's competing against Zs, Supras, V8 mustangs, Alpines, Emiras, Caymans, etc.
Clearly you dont know what you're talking about. According to the Internet University of Mobile Engineering Solutions, all of those things you mentioned should have no bearing on the price of the vehicle and should have and could have done from the factory EASILY. The main culprit is that the manufacturer didnt try hard enough, or they keep getting their engineering pros from some schmuck school in a city rather than the TRUE experts online.
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