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[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

That is really not far off how large freight companies already operate.

Depends on the commodity, customer contract and the freight type (truck load, LTL, etc). Doing relays introduces more murphy into the equation and exposes the carrier to potential claims if the agreed transit timeline isn't met, and if chain of custody agreements aren't met.

The above scenario might be only a small part of the overall amount of freight moved on a daily basis in the US alone, but it's still a significant $ amount and number of trucks. I used to plan/coordinate 200+ trucks a day of such freight 6 days a week.

[bcj]

Put the nuke waste sites on the register. There. I fixed it!

One thing is certainly true about NASA’s curious effort to place 2,850 acres above the Simi Valley on the National Register of Historic Places: The parcel is certainly a landmark.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Depends on the commodity, customer contract and the freight type (truck load, LTL, etc). Doing relays introduces more murphy into the equation and exposes the carrier to potential claims if the agreed transit timeline isn't met, and if chain of custody agreements aren't met.

The above scenario might be only a small part of the overall amount of freight moved on a daily basis in the US alone, but it's still a significant $ amount and number of trucks. I used to plan/coordinate 200+ trucks a day of such freight 6 days a week.

I boot out any freight rep that mentions "intermodal"

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Having been a truck driver for several years I can personally attest to the fact that actually driving the truck is no better. Driving a car for 8 or 10 hours every once in a while isn't so bad but doing it 5 or 6 days a week, every week, all year long, is a whole different ball game. I would much rather have a minder lose focus than a driver. The majority of truck accidents are caused by the driver losing focus if not outright falling asleep so a truck that is doing the bulk of the driving will actually be far far safer.
Also need to keep in mind that they will not be restricted to the current tech and new developments come out almost daily at this point. By the time they are ready for this to go into actual use the vehicles on the road will be talking to each other and the infrastructure will be far superior than what we have now.
A performance car forum is a rough place to try to discuss these things since so many don't want to believe that this is the near future so they tend to rationalize why it won't work instead of looking at why it will.

last i recall, which i want to say was around 2009-ish, the FCC(no idea about canada) was de-listing the V2V frequency allocation to use for something else because V2V was a disaster of competing standards from every OEM, with no movement to create any sort of universal standard. i haven't heard any rumors of V2V being revived, with most OEM's pushing for using LIDAR, GPS, and mapping software, so every vehicle operates independently.

have there been some changes in this lately?

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

We're on the same page on this, it will just be interesting to see how it survives the first at-fault accident.

have you followed that first uber pedestrian accident at all? while i get the point that it wasn't full autonomy, i feel it was 'close enough for the 10:00 news'. been at least a little interesting to read into the people calling for outright abandonment of all autonomous testing because of that single death.

at the same time the NHTSA is starting to send out commercials about getting people to stop walking in front of moving trains. how long have trains existed?

one death isn't good, but it's not like it's worse than where we're currently at.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

By that point there be so much money invested into it that going back will not be possible. Besides the reduction in the current human error accidents will more than make up for it. People may scream but that will pass. People said the automobile would never last because of the dangers but it seems to have done OK.

exactly. i keep comparing it to the age of the industrial revolution. before safety standards. i've done work in WW2 era bomb manufacturing and tank production buildings. in many of the buildings, pieces of that era still exist tucked away in corners where they don't bother anyone, and it's fascinating to look over. everything i've come across from that era, it's like it was commonplace for workplace deaths, that the company secretary just routinely made calls at the end of the day because Dan, Bob, and Dylan won't be going home that day, but let your friends know we've got some job openings!

just one example, the rail cranes they used at the time (now they're all remote operated from someone on the ground) had a spot for an operator to sit. it amounted to a 'cage' that used 4 pieces of steel to suspend a platform, with the controls and a 'chair' that was more like a barstool, with no cross bracing, or chains across any of the 4'-5' wide openings...




and i agree that i see the world pushing very hard towards a fully-electric future. but i'm highly suspicious that the push is a very large leap into the darkness. i'd prefer to see a diverse approach to the problem. i don't agree with an outright abandonment of an aging, but prevalent technology we've already built up the infrastructure for. while the use of electric has zero immediate emissions(insert fair argument about powering electric cars from coal-fired plants at an efficiency rate higher than ICE vehicles), the rare metals needed are anything but efficiently extracted, and many are currently not recyclable. i'm of the belief that electric does have undesirable environmental costs that won't be fully understood for a number of years, but is overall better than gasoline.


electrically speaking, most houses are woefully underprepared for electric charger installation, which is going to have some massive socioeconomic issues after considering the 'mortgage' that's become commonplace for new vehicle purchases. most counties i do work in, upgrading the electrical panel requires upgrading the entire house to the most current electrical code. most houses in the area were built between 1920-1980. most counties are on 2014 code now. it means that what could have been a $200-500 job balloons to a $5,000-8,000 job...

my company has also had multiple instances where a dealership sales person will blindly quote the buyers how much it costs to install a charger off of some random OEM marketing material--normally based on costs/codes/building practices of the OEM's HQ county, or nowhere near my area. they can't possibly know all the locations of the equipment, or electrical codes to quote a close number most times, so then i come as the d!ck trying to rip people off when walking a job and quoting barely above the material costs, but coming in a number of times higher than the 'expert' car sales guy.

it's gonna be a wild ride one way or another.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by soundman98

last i recall, which i want to say was around 2009-ish, the FCC(no idea about canada) was de-listing the V2V frequency allocation to use for something else because V2V was a disaster of competing standards from every OEM, with no movement to create any sort of universal standard. i haven't heard any rumors of V2V being revived, with most OEM's pushing for using LIDAR, GPS, and mapping software, so every vehicle operates independently.

have there been some changes in this lately?



have you followed that first uber pedestrian accident at all? while i get the point that it wasn't full autonomy, i feel it was 'close enough for the 10:00 news'. been at least a little interesting to read into the people calling for outright abandonment of all autonomous testing because of that single death.

at the same time the NHTSA is starting to send out commercials about getting people to stop walking in front of moving trains. how long have trains existed?

one death isn't good, but it's not like it's worse than where we're currently at.



exactly. i keep comparing it to the age of the industrial revolution. before safety standards. i've done work in WW2 era bomb manufacturing and tank production buildings. in many of the buildings, pieces of that era still exist tucked away in corners where they don't bother anyone, and it's fascinating to look over. everything i've come across from that era, it's like it was commonplace for workplace deaths, that the company secretary just routinely made calls at the end of the day because Dan, Bob, and Dylan won't be going home that day, but let your friends know we've got some job openings!

just one example, the rail cranes they used at the time (now they're all remote operated from someone on the ground) had a spot for an operator to sit. it amounted to a 'cage' that used 4 pieces of steel to suspend a platform, with the controls and a 'chair' that was more like a barstool, with no cross bracing, or chains across any of the 4'-5' wide openings...




and i agree that i see the world pushing very hard towards a fully-electric future. but i'm highly suspicious that the push is a very large leap into the darkness. i'd prefer to see a diverse approach to the problem. i don't agree with an outright abandonment of an aging, but prevalent technology we've already built up the infrastructure for. while the use of electric has zero immediate emissions(insert fair argument about powering electric cars from coal-fired plants at an efficiency rate higher than ICE vehicles), the rare metals needed are anything but efficiently extracted, and many are currently not recyclable. i'm of the belief that electric does have undesirable environmental costs that won't be fully understood for a number of years, but is overall better than gasoline.


electrically speaking, most houses are woefully underprepared for electric charger installation, which is going to have some massive socioeconomic issues after considering the 'mortgage' that's become commonplace for new vehicle purchases. most counties i do work in, upgrading the electrical panel requires upgrading the entire house to the most current electrical code. most houses in the area were built between 1920-1980. most counties are on 2014 code now. it means that what could have been a $200-500 job balloons to a $5,000-8,000 job...

my company has also had multiple instances where a dealership sales person will blindly quote the buyers how much it costs to install a charger off of some random OEM marketing material--normally based on costs/codes/building practices of the OEM's HQ county, or nowhere near my area. they can't possibly know all the locations of the equipment, or electrical codes to quote a close number most times, so then i come as the d!ck trying to rip people off when walking a job and quoting barely above the material costs, but coming in a number of times higher than the 'expert' car sales guy.

it's gonna be a wild ride one way or another.

There is loads in the works. Forget what they tried in the past since that was old tech. The current safety systems are great for driver assist but the vehicles must be able to communicate to be truly autonomous. They know this and there are much better brains than ours working on it.


There was huge resistance to cars when they first came out but that was overcome and so will the fight against self driving.
People can fight change all they want it will still happen.


Car produced on an assembly line are dangerous DON'T buy them



Cars are too fast they should not be allowed to go more than 10MPH.



If you drive these newfangled deathtraps you will crash (and apparently need to be propped up with 2x4s). Get a horse!





Mind you they didn't want railroads either.
FORBID THIS OUTRAGE!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

have you followed that first uber pedestrian accident at all? while i get the point that it wasn't full autonomy, i feel it was 'close enough for the 10:00 news'. been at least a little interesting to read into the people calling for outright abandonment of all autonomous testing because of that single death.

Look, I'm not against the idea of autonomy, I'm just saying it will be interesting to watch.

That said, the death of a single person who did not sign up to be part of a beta test is too much. That is completely different than someone walking out in front of a train.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Look, I'm not against the idea of autonomy, I'm just saying it will be interesting to watch.

That said, the death of a single person who did not sign up to be part of a beta test is too much. That is completely different than someone walking out in front of a train.

Arguably we are all part of the beta test called life...

[NoHaveMSG]

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Looks like me trying to drive an RC car.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Arguably we are all part of the beta test called life...

What is the production version of life then? If the beta version is everlasting, is it truly a beta? Or is it simply being called a beta as an excuse to have crap ton of bugs (USA, trump, north Korea, midget porn, driving on wrong side of road countries, metric system, etc etc).

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

What is the production version of life then? If the beta version is everlasting, is it truly a beta? Or is it simply being called a beta as an excuse to have crap ton of bugs (USA, trump, north Korea, midget porn, driving on wrong side of road countries, metric system, etc etc).

So the Google Beta program then? Dammit I knew it was just a game...

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So the Google Beta program then? Dammit I knew it was just a game...

Imagine this too, in a typical rpg you get quests and stuff and usually they are denoted by a ! On your map of above an NPC... If you do not see any of these things in the game we call life, are you simply an NPC with scripted actions waiting to give some shitty dialogue to the main character as they go on their way?...

WE ARE ALL NPC's FUCK

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Imagine this too, in a typical rpg you get quests and stuff and usually they are denoted by a ! On your map of above an NPC... If you do not see any of these things in the game we call life, are you simply an NPC with scripted actions waiting to give some shitty dialogue to the main character as they go on their way?...

WE ARE ALL NPC's FUCK

I see those things all the time. Doctors just tell me it is schizophrenia and to take this pill

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

What is the production version of life then? If the beta version is everlasting, is it truly a beta? Or is it simply being called a beta as an excuse to have crap ton of bugs (USA, trump, north Korea, midget porn, driving on wrong side of road countries, metric system, etc etc).

The environment is continuous, they players are the ones in beta?