Can someone measure these three dimensions on their car for me?

[~el~jefe~]

Hello!

Merry Christmas Eve

Would someone be kind and quickly take these three measurements for me? The ones in RED

There are no cars for me to see within a hundred plus miles, and I am considering buying one vs another car today.

[Leonardo]

Quick measure. 21" to the edge of the nose. 34" top of fender. 48" hood depth. I'm lowered 1"

These are slightly subjective, as I guessed where to start on the hood. The edge of hood or the windshield? Anyway compared with the red lines these are accurate.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Quick measure. 21" to the edge of the nose. 34" top of fender. 48" hood depth. I'm lowered 1"

These are slightly subjective, as I guessed where to start on the hood. The edge of hood or the windshield? Anyway compared with the red lines these are accurate.

With correcting for my drop but not running a straight edge for a precise measure point I got pretty much the same.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

With correcting for my drop but not running a straight edge for a precise measure point I got pretty much the same.

Thanks for the conformation! I hope you are having a great day today Tcoat! Merry Christmas eve!

OP, why exactly did you want these "precise" measurements?

[~el~jefe~]

I am weighing the safety of the car compared to my 2006 Mini Cooper S, R53.

Nose to ground is 29, front to back of the hood to glass is 37, the windshield bottom to ground is 34. I was thinking about the comparison of cars. The mini is good in many crash situations. I have to measure again when it isn't raining, was difficult as it was hard to see and mini has no straight lines

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

I am weighing the safety of the car compared to my 2006 Mini Cooper S, R53.

Nose to ground is 29, front to back of the hood to glass is 37, the windshield bottom to ground is 34. I was thinking about the comparison of cars. The mini is good in many crash situations. I have to measure again when it isn't raining, was difficult as it was hard to see and mini has no straight lines

Easy comparison

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...hatchback/2015

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...hatchback/2006

Those measurements do mean a thing on their own. Where are the breakaway and flex points? How far forward and how much energy absorption does the crash bar have? Number of and location of airbags? Hundreds of factors come into play for the safety ratings. The twins have some of the highest ratings out there when it comes to the sports catagory.

[~el~jefe~]

I am concerned that an SUV would ride over the hood ik a crash and negate the whole 48 inches. Need a sticking point to connect to a higher vehicle

[Spartarus]

The car (and any SUV it may crash into) has to meet bumper compatibility guidelines in order to sell in the US.

It will not underride an SUV unless the truck / SUV is lifted.

The straightedge measurements mean nothing unless you pull the hood, bumper, and fenders off and measure the structural elements underneath. The bodywork is a fascia and crumples immediately.

The fact that the mini has a high hoodline does not mean there is anything structural supporting the full height.

The IIHS and NHTSA are very good at figuring this stuff out.

For example, the longitudinal measurement is meaningless unless the front wheel is designed to break outward in a partial overlap crash. If it is not, it will crush your legs.

I'd suggest watching some of the IIHS crash material and watching how the exterior shape of the car has almost nothing to do with the way it deforms to absorb energy.

[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by Spartarus

The car (and any SUV it may crash into) has to meet bumper compatibility guidelines in order to sell in the US.

It will not underride an SUV unless the truck / SUV is lifted.

The straightedge measurements mean nothing unless you pull the hood, bumper, and fenders off and measure the structural elements underneath. The bodywork is a fascia and crumples immediately.

The fact that the mini has a high hoodline does not mean there is anything structural supporting the full height.

The IIHS and NHTSA are very good at figuring this stuff out.

For example, the longitudinal measurement is meaningless unless the front wheel is designed to break outward in a partial overlap crash. If it is not, it will crush your legs.

I'd suggest watching some of the IIHS crash material and watching how the exterior shape of the car has almost nothing to do with the way it deforms to absorb energy.

Having no metal where another truck is certainly would not help the situation. I have heard there have now lower parts to meet lower cars. I guess that is so. Mildly failing the small overlap is another issue. WRX and many other bland cars pass it. New minis all pass the IIHS with good scores.

I am deciding between the two cars, the WRX and the BRZ this week. It will be based on total safety. At this moment, a BRZ would maneuver better and, with better tires, stop better than a WRX. Stock the, premium WRX has great stopping ability.

Basically: I want the BRZ, limited performance package. But, if I must drive my girlfriend/one day wife in it and keep her as safe as possible. For the time it was out, the 2006 mini was much safer than most cars on the road. Rated least bodily injury by State Farm insurance, only comparable to full size european sedans like the larger volvos. It got a better bodily injury for accident insurance claim rating than the entire line of toyota or honda in 2006. (had friend at state farm look up the statistics for it).

Of course, now with new standards, it is moderate at best.

Strangely, I noticed that the death rate per accident both with other cars, or with objects or with rollovers was least with the Legacy sedan. 0 deaths in about 11 years or so. So many odd things factor into that of course. Avoiding an accident and braking way before is safest, as well as not speeding prior to attempting to avoid.

[Mr.ac]

if you are this worried about front crashes, then this car is not for you. go buy a large sedan or a small suv.

[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

if you are this worried about front crashes, then this car is not for you. go buy a large sedan or a small suv.

i have seen some sad comments before but this beats them all.

this means you really believe your car sucks at crashing when it counts.

That's pathetic. Why would you drive a car you feel you probably are going to get F*88ed up in if you crash? and everyone will crash.

I am looking for the rationale behind this car and comparing it to others for safety.

[Mr.ac]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

i have seen some sad comments before but this beats them all.

this means you really believe your car sucks at crashing when it counts.

That's pathetic. Why would you drive a car you feel you probably are going to get F*88ed up in if you crash? and everyone will crash.

I am looking for the rationale behind this car and comparing it to others for safety.

i been daily driving a 1991 MR2 Turbo for the last 15 years. That car does not have front air bags, has notorious under steer, zero traction control, no abs, it weighs less than my brz and has 80 more hp/tq. and yet i always felt safe driving it. you know why? because i trust that car that will do what i want, when i want it to. Many of times i had floored it to avoid a crash.

if you are constantly worried about crashing, you suck at driving. you need professional defensive driving course.

when i was young i felt that way, but a few autox/track events later i knew exactly what my car can and can't do. That in turn made me more confident on the road. Where as i only needed to worry about other idiots out there.

that being said, the car is not a problem it's all in your head.
is the brz good in crashes? Yes up to a point. So is every car sold in the U.S.

if for some werid reason why you think hood measurements will be better in a crash, again i say this car isn't for you. Buy a lifted truck/suv instead. you know, they have better hood measurements.

[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

i been daily driving a 1991 MR2 Turbo for the last 15 years. That car does not have front air bags, has notorious under steer, zero traction control, no abs, it weighs less than my brz and has 80 more hp/tq. and yet i always felt safe driving it. you know why? because i trust that car that will do what i want, when i want it to. Many of times i had floored it to avoid a crash.

if you are constantly worried about crashing, you suck at driving. you need professional defensive driving course.

when i was young i felt that way, but a few autox/track events later i knew exactly what my car can and can't do. That in turn made me more confident on the road. Where as i only needed to worry about other idiots out there.

that being said, the car is not a problem it's all in your head.
is the brz good in crashes? Yes up to a point. So is every car sold in the U.S.

if for some werid reason why you think hood measurements will be better in a crash, again i say this car isn't for you. Buy a lifted truck/suv instead. you know, they have better hood measurements.

Yes absolutely a longer hood, and a higher bumper is better in a crash for many reasons. Only reason why an SUV seems to survive is more steel. Everything else is a consolation prize. There are limits to crumple zones if the zone never gets crumpled. Example is small overlap where the car gets bypassed and you break your legs and are disabled or you bleed out.

Yes, your driving skills also influence everyone else, they prevent people from having heart attacks and driving over the divider, they prevent ice storms and drunk drivers, they prevent all things. I am certain your mid engine car with better balance also prevents kidney stones. I have heard of this.

[~el~jefe~]

2 Door Mini Cooper has a 21 person death rate in their modern build.

this is notably lower than Camry. Below average. 0 rollover and 0 foreign object deaths also, 21 was all multi car. So, it has a good foreign object stamina, good rollover (anyone can tell you that who drives one it is very very hard to roll over. However, it is a bit light vs other cars.

That is some actual data to consider, still better than a camry though, and better than ALL compact cars by a 5-7x the deathrate. Something is causing this difference to be so large. The other "mini/small car" categories are absolute death traps.

nothing on the FRS/BRZ at all. No data, no information, just iihs results and weight comparisons. According to insurance companies, it is costly to repair in an accident, more gets ruined in an accident. Life danger they are not certain on. (medical payouts)

**Note** the Current car I drive is not safe compared to the many cars out there and not to the current mini's in a large way.