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Old 02-13-2020, 08:55 PM   #57
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I wonder if next year they offer a street version of the GT4 as their ultimate car? I really don't buy the 4 cyl Supra as an upgrade to our car without the manual. Plus, the 400 lb. leap in weight is too far of a jump. It's very much a different type of car.
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2020 supras may be much more affordable next year
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I'm more interested in the suspension tweaks than the power bump.


Looking forward to 2021 road tests of both engine models especially by pros like Randy Pobst who criticized the 2020 for unpredictable reactions at times from the rear.
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2020 supras may be much more affordable next year

Especially used at Chevy dealers as pissed Supra early adopters switch to C8's.
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The 2021 Supra is another example of why you should never buy a first year model of a brand new platform.
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The 2021 Supra is another example of why you should never buy a first year model of a brand new platform.
Well SOMEBODY has to buy them or there may not be a second year.
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Wait, what is different between the B58 in the Z4 and the B58 in the Supra? A bunch of Dynos showed that the Supra was making closer to 400 crank and could be easily modded to 5-700 with a tune and bolt-ons. Are we suggesting that the 2021 Supra will actually be making 450 crank now because it got 50 more hp in the marketing material, or is the engine actually mechanically different?
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While I feel bad for the "average" buyer - I absolutely love the speculator tears.

That being said, even I am a little surprised that they made the shift so quickly. I think it's evidence they didn't really plan their roll out well, and now they're trying to play catch up.

I don't think the Supra is selling near as well as they hoped. I live in Houston where I see people DD'ing all manner of things, and I've still never seen a Supra on the road or at any Cars and Coffees. I see LC500s and even Mk IV Supras fairly regularly, but no sign of this.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:02 AM   #65
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I got an email from Toyota trying to sell me one.
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Better Supra

Gotta give Toyota credit for tweaking the Supra right away rather than resting on laurels for a few years. The 4-cylinder version is also a smart move.

....and while I was not a fan of the looks initially, itís actually somehow starting to grow on me....I can envision picking up a used 2021 Supra in a few years if I saw a good deal on one.

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While I feel bad for the "average" buyer - I absolutely love the speculator tears.

That being said, even I am a little surprised that they made the shift so quickly. I think it's evidence they didn't really plan their roll out well, and now they're trying to play catch up.

I don't think the Supra is selling near as well as they hoped. I live in Houston where I see people DD'ing all manner of things, and I've still never seen a Supra on the road or at any Cars and Coffees. I see LC500s and even Mk IV Supras fairly regularly, but no sign of this.
The average buyer has never properly driven the car except for blasts on the freeway and has probably never taken TC off except for doughnuts in an empty parking lot. I doubt they would notice that much with the new upgrades. I have seen a few out and about here in OR, and I saw a Silver one when I was in Houston a month ago. There is one local to me for sale used, think he wants 59K lol. Has 1200 or so miles.

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Wait, what is different between the B58 in the Z4 and the B58 in the Supra? A bunch of Dynos showed that the Supra was making closer to 400 crank and could be easily modded to 5-700 with a tune and bolt-ons. Are we suggesting that the 2021 Supra will actually be making 450 crank now because it got 50 more hp in the marketing material, or is the engine actually mechanically different?
It is mechanically different.
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I went back to page 3 and saw the mechanical changes that they made. I sort of see why people might be kind of upset. But then again, in all the history of the world, early adopters are rarely rewarded for their support. This shouldn't be shocking. Even Toyota has said they want the Supra to undergo many evolutions over its life.

And yes, if this means that first year Supra models depreciate faster, I'm all for it because then it might actually be obtainable to someone like me in a few years.
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Wow! Current Supra owners are really fuming over the 14% power increase, huh? Even despite Tada-san's explicit remarks last summer about improving performance frequently throughout the platform's run. Surprised? I'm not.

You can be in the "I was the first to get the new Supra!" crowd or get the latest and greatest. You can't have it both ways.

I'll be happy to take that low-mileage 2020 3.0 off your hands for low $40k's. Lol.

I just wished the our twins' platform followed a bit of that recipe:

Supra 2020: "It's fast and powerful!"
Supra 2021: "How about 47hp more?"

BRZ/86 2012: "It needs more power!"
BRZ/86 2017: "Here's another 5hp."

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LOL so far the petition doesn't look like it will be all that effective.
Evan is so important he get's to sign twice.
At least a couple probably don't even own a Supra.
And... One guy in Canada seems to be less than sympathetic (it was NOT me).
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