We can almost beat a s2000!!!

[CSI:86]

A friend from my gym has a 2007 AP2 s2000. He has a "full straight through exhaust from the headers" (he means a headerback exhaust), "3000 bucks Clubsport coilovers", a K&N panel filter and Bridgestone re050a tyres.

I have Takeda intake, Perrin pulley, Borla UEL and a Unichip running on Takeda map and 92 octane map with Fuel - Timing + map on stock Michelin tires.

When the gym closed at 10pm, i told him to race me at this very long deserted industrial road not far from the gym because i was curious to see how my car fares against his.

We both agreed at a 5k rpm launch. At takeoff, im about half a front fender in front of him. Just before 2-3 shift, he starts pulling and im about half a front fender length behind him. It stays this way until about 160kmh (100mph) when we both slow down.

The 2nd time, i screwed up my launch and launched at 2.5k and he beat me by his car's length.

The 3rd time, was the same as the first time.

The 4th time, he screwed up his launch and i beat him by half my car's length.

Basically, my car beats his from 0 - 50mph (or so). And his beats mine from 60mph to whatever our speed limits are.

I'm very happy with how I went up against his. Loving my car even more

I'm now thinking about getting a Jap Spec AP1 s2000 that has 248hp, just to thrash around

[FRSfan111]

Stock for stock the s2k has a 1sec faster 0-60. Sounds like a bad driver too me. Watch talking about drag racing no matter how deserted. Some one will always flame you. Glad your enjoying the car though!!!!

[FRSfan111]

Btw with all that what did ur car put down on the dyno? And 1/4mile track times yet?

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

Btw with all that what did ur car put down on the dyno? And 1/4mile track times yet?

Going to put it on the dyno as soon as i get the Perrin headerback exhaust.

[YourFearlessLeader]

1 second in the quarter mile is equal to approximately 10 car lengths.

Your buddy doesn't drive well.

[whitejdm]

Thought I would chime in on this.

My friend and I spent an afternoon driving each others cars (he has an AP2), doing some pulls at various speeds and mild launches. My BRZ has a panel filter,header back and mild weight reduction, and he just had a cat back. Neither are siginificant mods IMO.

The AP2 S2k was SIGNIFICANTLY faster in any and all situations when driven by either of us. The engine is much stonger in the midrange and pulls all the way up to redline. The only place where the BRZ had even a sniff of the S2k was in a slow speed roll on, but that only lasted until about 4000rpm then it was bye bye.

However it was clear the twins have sharper steering, better on center feel, and a stiffer ride......just wish honda made our engine.

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader

1 second in the quarter mile is equal to approximately 10 car lengths.

Your buddy doesn't drive well.

Wouldn't know during the race but then again ... how hard is it to drive a car fast? I've been in his car when he does spirited driving. He launches and shifts fine.

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by whitejdm

Thought I would chime in on this.

My friend and I spent an afternoon driving each others cars (he has an AP2), doing some pulls at various speeds and mild launches. My BRZ has a panel filter,header back and mild weight reduction, and he just had a cat back. Neither are siginificant mods IMO.

The AP2 S2k was SIGNIFICANTLY faster in any and all situations when driven by either of us. The engine is much stonger in the midrange and pulls all the way up to redline. The only place where the BRZ had even a sniff of the S2k was in a slow speed roll on, but that only lasted until about 4000rpm then it was bye bye.

However it was clear the twins have sharper steering, better on center feel, and a stiffer ride......just wish honda made our engine.

Im pretty sure the s2000 steers better than the twins due to its perfect weight distribution. And the s2000 has a stiffer ride, much stiffer with coilovers.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by whitejdm

However it was clear the twins have sharper steering, better on center feel, and a stiffer ride......just wish honda made our engine.

Don't get me wrong, I love Honda engines. One of my favorite cars of all time was my Integra GSR. But that being said, Honda no longer makes those engines. Their four cylinders now are much more pedestrian and unexciting. Also, the AP2 s2000 got terrible gas mileage compared to the twins.

With no more bolt ons than a Borla UEL header (to eliminate torque valley), drop in filter and a proper tune the twins will run with a stock s2000 and they will still cost a hell of a lot less than the final year s2000s did.

[AyJay]

I currently own an AP2 S2k and an FR-S so my opinion is unbiased. Please don't fill your head with ideas that the FRS is as fast as the S2000. Like with most cars, the driver can make it shine or flop.

From my experience on road courses, the FR-S has a long way to go before it can compete with the highly developed s2ks that you find in most track org's advanced groups. I say this as someone who's driven them and driven against them.

It may get there ... but it's not competitive yet.

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by AyJay

I currently own an AP2 S2k and an FR-S so my opinion is unbiased. Please don't fill your head with ideas that the FRS is as fast as the S2000. Like with most cars, the driver can make it shine or flop.

From my experience on road courses, the FR-S has a long way to go before it can compete with the highly developed s2ks that you find in most track org's advanced groups. I say this as someone who's driven them and driven against them.

It may get there ... but it's not competitive yet.

When did i say, the FRS is "as fast as the s2000"?

The stock s2000 is clearly still faster than a FRS/BRZ with tune/header/intake.

Please read before posting.

[Jond63]

I had an AP1 S2000 and have to say so far I really prefer the FR-S. No, it's not as fast, but everything combined make it a better car for me. Can't wait to get to the track!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by CSI:86

A friend from my gym has a 2007 AP2 s2000. He has a "full straight through exhaust from the headers" (he means a headerback exhaust), "3000 bucks Clubsport coilovers", a K&N panel filter and Bridgestone re050a tyres.

I have Takeda intake, Perrin pulley, Borla UEL and a Unichip running on Takeda map and 92 octane map with Fuel - Timing + map on stock Michelin tires.

When the gym closed at 10pm, i told him to race me at this very long deserted industrial road not far from the gym because i was curious to see how my car fares against his.

We both agreed at a 5k rpm launch. At takeoff, im about half a front fender in front of him. Just before 2-3 shift, he starts pulling and im about half a front fender length behind him. It stays this way until about 160kmh (100mph) when we both slow down.

The 2nd time, i screwed up my launch and launched at 2.5k and he beat me by his car's length.

The 3rd time, was the same as the first time.

The 4th time, he screwed up his launch and i beat him by half my car's length.

Basically, my car beats his from 0 - 50mph (or so). And his beats mine from 60mph to whatever our speed limits are.

I'm very happy with how I went up against his. Loving my car even more

I'm now thinking about getting a Jap Spec AP1 s2000 that has 248hp, just to thrash around

I hate to take it to you, but in a drag race, you'll never win NA for NA.

Disclaimer: I own a S2000, and drive the CSG BRZ.


Watch this video to see the power difference in action....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaArJZOMCpI"]BRZ vs S2000 - YouTube[/ame]

Originally Posted by CSI:86

Im pretty sure the s2000 steers better than the twins due to its perfect weight distribution. And the s2000 has a stiffer ride, much stiffer with coilovers.

Originally Posted by AyJay

I currently own an AP2 S2k and an FR-S so my opinion is unbiased. Please don't fill your head with ideas that the FRS is as fast as the S2000. Like with most cars, the driver can make it shine or flop.

From my experience on road courses, the FR-S has a long way to go before it can compete with the highly developed s2ks that you find in most track org's advanced groups. I say this as someone who's driven them and driven against them.

It may get there ... but it's not competitive yet.

For you two... and especially @AyJay since you're familiar with Buttonwillow... not bad for 4 bolt-ons and tires eh? (brakes, coilovers, wheels, axleback)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBZWkoQO-s"]CSG BRZ Buttonwillow 2:00 lap - YouTube[/ame]

[sonnydelight]

People still street race?