Are the old Brakes pads options such as in this URL compatible with the new 2023 BRZ?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by churchx

Depends. If one is ok with extensive dusting and higher wear of expensive pads & rotors, then CSG C1 was good both on track & street. It braked consistently good at both uses, and didn't squeal. Just that i hated washing wheels every second day and as they cost a lot it seemed wasteful to "spend" them during daily driving.

Some motorsport pads dont wear much at all on the street, while others wear very quickly at street temps.

C1, C2, C21 all wear very little on the street, C1 in particular wears at the rate of a street pad on the street. All 3 will dust like the motorsport pads they are. C2 and C21 will wear rotors a bit faster at street temps, compared to a street pad. C1/C2/C21 on the street actually is not "throwing away" pad at all.

C12 on the other hand, will wear very, very quickly at street temps, but at race temps, last exceptionally long. This is why the C12 is only available by request for the 86; the folks who want it know what it is, and know to ask.

While it's not recommended, many folks will street drive the C1, C2, C21, and even the CE2, because they do still work just fine at street temps, and some folks don't mind the dust/noise in exchange for braking performance. On the other hand, the C12 absolutely should not be daily street driven under any circumstance, except perhaps to and from the track.

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Some motorsport pads dont wear much at all on the street, while others wear very quickly at street temps.

C1, C2, C21 all wear very little on the street, C1 in particular wears at the rate of a street pad on the street. All 3 will dust like the motorsport pads they are. C2 and C21 will wear rotors a bit faster at street temps, compared to a street pad. C1/C2/C21 on the street actually is not "throwing away" pad at all.

C12 on the other hand, will wear very, very quickly at street temps, but at race temps, last exceptionally long. This is why the C12 is only available by request for the 86; the folks who want it know what it is, and know to ask.

While it's not recommended, many folks will street drive the C1, C2, C21, and even the CE2, because they do still work just fine at street temps, and some folks don't mind the dust/noise in exchange for braking performance. On the other hand, the C12 absolutely should not be daily street driven under any circumstance, except perhaps to and from the track.

Since you didn't mention it, where does the CP fit in here?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Since you didn't mention it, where does the CP fit in here?

The CP is a street pad, and will easily out-last an OEM pad apples to apples, and the advantage only grows if you push the pad a bit. The CP will handle race temps without issue, but will need a longer cooldown after sessions as it's not a motorsport compound. Not doing the cooldown properly will result in uneven deposits, which means pedal vibration.

Anyone who is tracking regularly should use an appropriate pad for the track.

The CP is for those looking to have an OE+ experience. It'll handle elevated temps without issue, but that elevated temp is not the primary use case design. The goal for the CP is to have a quiet, very light dust, street pad, with an exceptional ceiling.


Any ABS abuse and the CP will not be happy on track. Novices will be okay on track, and veterans who have an advanced grasp of threshold braking will also not have issues for HPDE. Actual racing should never be performed on the CP.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Explains the range of CSG pads...

I think you should post this info on your site. The current description there of the pad compounds sounds like generic marketing. These two posts have far more information than the website.

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I think you should post this info on your site. The current description there of the pad compounds sounds like generic marketing. These two posts have far more information than the website.

Thanks for the recommendations. We've been working on a lot of application updates and refinements as well. The CP really is a street performance pad that has all the nice street creature comforts but still has an elevated performance ceiling that does rival many track pads. The downside is people do see the term "tracking" and they think it's the ultimate race/track pad. Ultimately, everyone wants CE2 wear, C21 bite, CP dust/noise, and C12 control. That, unfortunately, does not exist. We do try however, hence why there are compounds being added to the mix to refine the driving experience and to give the cars a little bit more edge for those who are actually very competitive.

We've tested too many compounds (and entire catalogs of dozens of pad manufacturers), our race customers have a proven track record of hard racing, and we know exactly what each one will do or provide. The downside is, no matter how good the compounds are, there will always be people who talk themselves into using the brakes outside of its chosen application. For example, those who say they're racing, but they do 0-40mph pulls from light to light then explain how hard they are on brakes. Or the guy who does 25 track days and says he's just a casual so he uses street pads because he doesn't believe he needs to spend money on "exotic brakes".

With that said, we will be updating the website soon to incorporate a lot of changes to verbage and applications. Time and staffing has always been a precious commodity. We take all these pieces of feedback and really take them seriously. Thank you!

[dragoontwo]

I wanted the CP pads to daily drive and do our local autocross where I have yet to see any speed above 50 MPH.

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

I wanted the CP pads to daily drive and do our local autocross where I have yet to see any speed above 50 MPH.

More than sufficient.