Any previous Scion tC owners? Pros & cons vs. the tC?

[peri.Laynz]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Supra handles like shit? Ok.

I wouldn't say it handles like shit, per se, but they do tend to have quite a bit of body roll. Personally I prefer going slightly slower at the top end but feeling more planted.

[MrAmalto]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Supra handles like shit? Ok.
370z shares same chassis as the maximas and was not built from the ground up like the frs.
The elise weighs 2000lbs.
Rotary is more reliable then your standard piston engine.

the only thing keeping the twins alive in sales is that it is cheap rwd sports car.

Rotary engines are definitely not more reliable than piston engines. While rotaries by nature have less moving parts they also depend on their apex seals, which are notorious for wearing more quickly than the rest of the engine.

Furthermore, I don't agree with your statement about the twins only selling because they're cheap rwd sports cars. (On a side note earlier you said the twins were "cheap rwd economy cars") While their price point and rwd are definitely major selling points you're overlooking a few things. If people were only looking at the fact that they're cheap rwd sports cars there would be no reason for them not to just go for miatas which are rwd and significantly cheaper. I'm pretty sure people are also attracted by the fact that they're lightweight (2800 pounds isn't lotus light but it is still about 900 pounds lights than a mustang) they've got a lower center of gravity than any car that costs less than 4x their price and they look pretty damn good. Not to mention general stuff like their relatively high fuel efficiency, safety features, fully defeatable traction control.

[peri.Laynz]

Originally Posted by MrAmalto

Rotary engines are definitely not more reliable than piston engines. While rotaries by nature have less moving parts they also depend on their apex seals, which are notorious for wearing more quickly than the rest of the engine.

Furthermore, I don't agree with your statement about the twins only selling because they're cheap rwd sports cars. (On a side note earlier you said the twins were "cheap rwd economy cars") While their price point and rwd are definitely major selling points you're overlooking a few things. If people were only looking at the fact that they're cheap rwd sports cars there would be no reason for them not to just go for miatas which are rwd and significantly cheaper. I'm pretty sure people are also attracted by the fact that they're lightweight (2800 pounds isn't lotus light but it is still about 900 pounds lights than a mustang) they've got a lower center of gravity than any car that costs less than 4x their price and they look pretty damn good. Not to mention general stuff like their relatively high fuel efficiency, safety features, fully defeatable traction control.

I also love the fact that there isn't a lot of fluff. The $24,000 you pay is money spent on performance for the most part.

[Demotic]

Originally Posted by litemup

Nah. Rebadging, to me, just reeks of insecurity over something even less important than a zit. Besides, the Scion logo looks cool.

I consider the scion line up (Except the hideous tC) perfect for high school girls or moms. Scion logo is also POS.

[litemup]

Originally Posted by Demotic

I consider the scion line up (Except the hideous tC) perfect for high school girls or moms. Scion logo is also POS.

Sure, why not. I feel I've already wasted enough time even thinking about it.

[stevethuro]

I had two TC's before my FRS a 2005 and 2007 release series.

Things I miss about it:
1. The hatch back was the most.
2. Room.
3. Better middle console... but doesn't really matter.
4. The torque was awesome in those cars.
5. Glass roof.
6. Steering wheel controls

Things I don't Miss:
1. Windshield pillars were really big and hard to see around corners.
2. Crappy trunk latch that broke on my 2007.
3. Plastic ass dashboard.
4. Yellowing headlights & water damage tails... on the 2007.

Other than that it was an awesome car!

but the FRS is like a Dream!
1. Handles amazingly
2. Looks way better
3. Fun to drive
4. RWD!!!!

only thing I wish is it had a little more torque!

other than that I love my FRS!

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Supra handles like shit? Ok.
370z shares same chassis as the maximas and was not built from the ground up like the frs.
The elise weighs 2000lbs.
Rotary is more reliable then your standard piston engine.

the only thing keeping the twins alive in sales is that it is cheap rwd sports car.

As the former owner of a RX7, the rotary engine due to it shear simplicity should be more reliable BUT it isn't:


Carbon build-up can cause the rotors to bind, when (not if) the apex seals goes you have no compression, and I don't miss having to frequently check and top off the engine oil (does this by design). I still love them but they're not perfect.

[litemup]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

the only thing keeping the twins alive in sales is that it is cheap rwd sports car.

Actually, the only thing keeping the twins alive in sales is that people are buying them.

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by litemup

Actually, the only thing keeping the twins alive in sales is that people are buying them.

Isn't that true of any car? If you don't sell, you're outta here!

[litemup]

Originally Posted by dnieves

Isn't that true of any car? If you don't sell, you're outta here!

[Chen]

I never owned a TC but the only feature I like more than the twins is the moon roof.

[SnapOv3st3r]

I currently own both. tC is built motor and boosted track car that I drive on the streets still. FR-S is new to the family and is bone stock (for now).

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by retrosmiths

Those with resources can put a turbo in a tC and make it fast on a *straight* line. Sounds fun but if you think about it, even a grandma can put a pedal to the metal.

Mine turns

Originally Posted by retrosmiths

There are parts out there but compared to the 86 market size, the tC2 is seriously lacking.



"Well" in what sense? For daily driving, canyons, autocross or track?

Not trying to spark something. I used to own a 2012 tC and it's just not something I enjoyed due to the issues I outlined in my other post.

The tC1 owns all the track records across the US for FWD. tC2 had a stellar welcoming and thus can never surpass what the tC1 has done.

[BobRickel]

Originally Posted by InspGadgt

I recently traded in my 2006 tC for a 2015 FRS. I'm only at about 600 miles on the FRS but so far I'm really enjoying it over the tC. First I'll address the points you asked:

1. I noticed right away even in my test drive the FRS does seem punchier than my tC. Both my tC and my FRS are auto. I also noticed there is less loss/gain of speed when using the cruise control going up and down hills.

2. Yes I do miss the trunk space and the almost pickup bed like room it has with the seats down. The FRS is still able to carry all that I carried before, which is quite a bit in my RC cars and planes hobbies, I just have to be better organized to fit it all in there.

3. My insurance actually went down about $.50 per year with the FRS due to having more safety features than the tC.

4. On good fill ups with the tC I would just barely reach 24mpg. I don't know what the average was but I'd guess I was averaging around 23.4ish. My FRS is showing an average of 23.2 now and is still increasing.

There are 2 things I miss most from the tC...I really miss having audio controls on the steering wheel and I kinda miss not having a center arm rest. I do find the door side arm rest and distance to the wheel to be more comfortable in the FRS so I'm getting use to not having a center arm rest. I've considered getting an aftermarket arm rest but then I'd lose the drink holders and I'm not as bothered about not having the arm rest as I thought I would be.

I owned a 2005 TC that I bought new and put 70k on. I would agree with the above quote. Both the TC and my FRS are A/T and the paddle shifters and 6 speed make for a much better car. I averaged 28mpg with my TC and am getting 32city and 36 hwy with the FRS. I agree about the armrest but bought an aftermarket one for the FRS. There is plenty of room with the back seats down but it is tight compared to the TC. I really never used the sunroof in the TC and it put out a lot of heat here in Florida. My TC had the ground effects and factory optional 18 inch enki rims and Perelli PZero tires and handled pretty well but nothing like the FRS. I have owned/restored 423 vehicles and the FRS is my ride of choice.