No Brembos = suck

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by soundman98

sounds like your real problem is a lack of speed. carry more speed into the green light, and you'll never even see the red light!

I don’t think adding FI to the 2.4 will get you to the 54,900 km/s necessary to accomplish that.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by ZDan

As mentioned, with yer hands/fingrs! Wiggle wiggle wiggle til pad can slide back a bit, then work the pad against the rotor to lever the pistons back into their bores. Do this one pad at a time, leaving the other pad in place or you might squish those pistons out further.


Yes it will, I used exactly the same method on my 987.2 Cayman Brembos.

And I have small/weak hands w/ scrawny fingers!

Ah, I see. I mean...I don't know why someone wouldn't just use the pad clamp tool instead. Way way easier.

Also I would agree that the base brakes are more than up to the task of track duty (with proper pads and fluid). However, the bigger brake (option) makes sense for long term consumable costs and thermal management for someone that tracks often. Certainly the lack of a larger brake option from the factory is a dumb reason to disqualify the car in general.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by CincyJohn

I don’t think adding FI to the 2.4 will get you to the 54,900 km/s necessary to accomplish that.

sometimes, you just don't know till you try!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Ah, I see. I mean...I don't know why someone wouldn't just use the pad clamp tool instead. Way way easier.

Actual removal and replacement of the pads, by hand, without a tool, is the quickest/easiest part of the job. I think having to have that tool handy and using it would slow the job down. Pin removal is the PITA for me, I have to use a punch to tap them out. Also installing the clip for the 2nd pin on the rear brakes can be annoying as you can't see the hole in the pin and have to kind of feel for it. My brother's Genesis Coupe's Brembos have a spring-loaded retaining feature built in to the pins, easy!

Also I would agree that the base brakes are more than up to the task of track duty (with proper pads and fluid). However, the bigger brake (option) makes sense for long term consumable costs and thermal management for someone that tracks often. Certainly the lack of a larger brake option from the factory is a dumb reason to disqualify the car in general.

Agree, Brembos would make it more compelling but I'll probably get a 2nd gen in a couple/few years either way.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Actual removal and replacement of the pads, by hand, without a tool, is the quickest/easiest part of the job. I think having to have that tool handy and using it would slow the job down. Pin removal is the PITA for me, I have to use a punch to tap them out. Also installing the clip for the 2nd pin on the rear brakes can be annoying as you can't see the hole in the pin and have to kind of feel for it. My brother's Genesis Coupe's Brembos have a spring-loaded retaining feature built in to the pins, easy!


Agree, Brembos would make it more compelling but I'll probably get a 2nd gen in a couple/few years either way.

When I changed my pads those retaining clips can kiss my ass. Everything was easy but those!

[dowroa]

Relative to 2022 OEMs vs "Brembos" / Monoblocks...

Track guys on the stock calipers -- have you not experienced feathering of the pads or caliper spread over time on a non-fixed / floating pin designed caliper?

I know the C5 has that problem over time on faster / hotter "brake" tracks.

Also, if you are pulling brake pads all the time so your daily pads that are safe, for me, monoblocks are a huge time saver there. If you are also pulling the disc to keep them burnished / matched, not as much.

For monoblock calipers (even the Brembos from STi/BRZ I have been using for years), they have been pretty good for those cases and MUCH easier to work on for pad replacement and consistency in braking (less knockback, easy on-site replacement).

Might just be me. But, I do prefer / enjoy monoblocks... even more so if we talk about AP Racing solutions, or solutions that allow much deeper pads!

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Pin removal is the PITA for me, I have to use a punch to tap them out.

You don't really need a punch. Thin nose pliers is all I ever needed.

Originally Posted by ZDan

Also installing the clip for the 2nd pin on the rear brakes can be annoying as you can't see the hole in the pin and have to kind of feel for it.

You can see the holes if you look from under the rear bumper.
First properly turn guide pins from under the bumper, then it's easy to put the safety pins from the side of the car by feel.

[Yoshoobaroo]

You guys pull the pins? I just unbolt the whole caliper/carrier.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

You don't really need a punch. Thin nose pliers is all I ever needed.

Problem is the pins go in from the backside of the caliper... Why?! Tryna pull on mine with pliers, from the backside, would I think be a lot harder than a couple of quick taps on 3mm punch from the outside.

You can see the holes if you look from under the rear bumper.
First properly turn guide pins from under the bumper, then it's easy to put the safety pins from the side of the car by feel.

Exactly, you can position the hole but ultimately you have to go by *feel*. I've gotten OK at it but still a minor PITA.

Pins should install from the outside/front face of the caliper!

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Problem is the pins go in from the backside of the caliper... Why?! Tryna pull on mine with pliers, from the backside, would I think be a lot harder than a couple of quick taps on 3mm punch from the outside.

Pull them from the middle, not from the end.

Originally Posted by ZDan

Pins should install from the outside/front face of the caliper!

So that every 10 year old can pull them out while passing by your car?

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by dowroa

Relative to 2022 OEMs vs "Brembos" / Monoblocks...

Track guys on the stock calipers -- have you not experienced feathering of the pads or caliper spread over time on a non-fixed / floating pin designed caliper?

On the fronts, yes. Rears, not an issue.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Pull them from the middle, not from the end.

That's still gonna be a no-go, friction is a thing with mine. A couple/few taps with ye olde 3mm punch is super easy and then I can pull them out.

So that every 10 year old can pull them out while passing by your car?

I really don't think that's much of a risk... Definitely with my car, they're going to need a tool to remove the clips with the wheel mounted, I use a small flat-head to pry them off even with wheel removed as it's not so easy by hand.

I mean, if you're worried about that, you should also worry that 10 year-olds will carry a wrench around and remove 3 lug nuts from your wheels for funzies. What are 10 year-olds like where you live?!

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by ZDan

That's still gonna be a no-go, friction is a thing with mine.

Have you tried turning/wiggling the pins while pulling? Works like a charm to me.

Originally Posted by ZDan

I mean, if you're worried about that, you should also worry that 10 year-olds will carry a wrench around and remove 3 lug nuts from your wheels for funzies.

Exactly this once happened to someone I know.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Have you tried turning/wiggling the pins while pulling? Works like a charm to me.

Between friction between pins and caliper and the spring clip getting cocked, it's way the hell easier to just give the pins a few taps from the outside...