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Old 08-22-2012, 07:43 AM   #1
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Auto Express's AE86 vs GT86

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMyP9od8JM"]Toyota AE86 vs GT 86 review - Auto Express - YouTube[/ame]



Verdict

It’s easy for Toyota to claim that the GT 86 was inspired by the AE86, but the two share more than a number. Engineers have worked hard to recreate the crisp turn-in, neutral balance and purity of the Corolla, while making the GT 86 more usable on an everyday basis. Toyota could have another sports car hero on its hands

Toyota has an enviable sports car history, with its models ranging from the MR2 to the Supra and the Celica. But when it introduced the GT 86 earlier this year, it drew inspiration not from the MR2 or Supra, but from the Corolla AE86 of the eighties – a car that’s become a cult hero thanks to its rear-wheel-drive chassis and pure driving experience.

But is the connection between the two little more than clever marketing? Or does the GT 86 really share DNA with a car that’s now more than 25 years old?

It’s not immediately obvious when you look at the two parked next to one another. True, they share a similar sporty profile and compact proportions, but the quarter-century between them definitely shows.

While the GT 86 is all creases, flowing lines and intricate details, the AE86 is made up of straight edges and is more of a wedge shape. The interiors are a world apart, too. A simple black plastic dashboard with a few knobs in the Corolla is replaced by a button-laden centre console set among brushed metal inserts and plenty of leather trim in the modern GT 86.

But the most important thing about these cars is the way they drive, and it’s here that the two really do feel similar – even down to their acceleration. While the AE86 is powered by a 123bhp 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine and the newer GT 86 by a 198bhp 2.0-litre boxer, there’s only seven- tenths of a second splitting the cars’ 0-62mph times. That means 7.6 seconds for the newcomer and 8.3 seconds for the AE86.

A shrill buzz comes from the small exhaust of the Corolla, encouraging you all the way to the 7,000rpm red line, while in the GT 86 there’s more of a bassy note from the boxer engine. It’s a much more grown-up sound, but equally encouraging.

Both gearboxes – a five-speed in the older car and a six-speed in the GT 86 – have a similar feel, with close ratios and accurate shifts. And while the new car seems far more agile than the AE86, with less body roll and quicker steering, both share the same perfect balance.

As you turn in to a fast corner, there’s an initial weight transfer before both cars settle, allowing you to trim your line through bends by either stepping on or off the accelerator.

The whole experience is so intuitive in the GT 86 that you can explore the car’s limits almost immediately. And in the AE86, you can quickly forget there’s no traction control safety net.

The similarities are so uncanny that it feels as though Toyota’s engineers had a Corolla on hand throughout the development process of the GT 86, just so they could recreate every little thing that makes it so much fun.

Have they succeeded? They’ve definitely created one of the most entertaining drivers’ cars on sale today. But we drove the AE86 more throughout our test, and if you asked us which one we’d take out for one final drive, it’d be the older car every time.

Ask us which one we’d like to live with every day, and it would be the GT 86. It’s comfortable and easy to drive, plus offers attainable and genuine thrills – and that’s what makes it such a special car. The GT 86 signals a bright future for Toyota sports cars, and all it took was a little nod to the past.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:18 AM   #2
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Toyota AE86 vs GT 86 review - Auto Express

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMyP9od8JM"]Toyota AE86 vs GT 86 review - Auto Express - YouTube[/ame]

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Old 08-23-2012, 09:25 AM   #3
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Video: Toyota GT 86 Comes Face-to-Face with its 1980s AE86 Predecessor

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The Toyota GT 86 and its Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ siblings are all the talk these days with video comparisons popping left and right every week, sometimes even more often.

While Chris Harris recently tested the GT 86 against the closely priced Nissan 370Z and a used Porsche Cayman S, Autoexpress magazine's Owen Mildenhall took a different approach by comparing the rear-wheel drive sports coupe against its forefather and the car that inspired its creation, the Corolla Levin AE86 from the 1980s.

In UK trim at least, a 123bhp 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine pushing power to the rear wheels via a five-speed manual gearbox motivates the AE86 that's featured in the video.

The newer Toyota model makes use of a Subaru-sourced 2.0-liter flat-four that's good for 198bhp or 200PS. A six-speed stick shift directs power to the rear axle.

The magazine quotes a zero to 62mph sprint times of 7.6 seconds for the GT86 and 8.3 seconds for its predecessor.

To see how the AE86 measures up against the GT 86, hop over the break for the video.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMyP9od8JM"]Toyota AE86 vs GT 86 review - Auto Express - YouTube[/ame]
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:25 PM   #5
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I'd watch that AE86 all day.
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BTW that AE86 isn't standard/stock. It has a Janspeed exhaust system and LEDA Coilover Suspension. Also has LSD as standard in the UK spec. The journos ought to have done more research!
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Only thing that bothered me about that video: he kept talking about lift-off oversteer, but kept saying that the weight was transferring to the rear when he was lifting off. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the weight transfer to the front of the car on throttle lift, and isn't that what causes the rear to lose grip?

Other than that, I really enjoyed the video
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Only thing that bothered me about that video: he kept talking about lift-off oversteer, but kept saying that the weight was transferring to the rear when he was lifting off. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the weight transfer to the front of the car on throttle lift, and isn't that what causes the rear to lose grip?

Other than that, I really enjoyed the video
When you lift off oversteer, you are transferring weight to the front so he was grossly incorrect. I didn't have an AE86 but I did have the MKI MR2 and that car was beautiful due to the lift off oversteer that would allow me to surgically place the car on the proper apex everytime.

Hitting the gas moves the car forward and rotates the car on it's CoG clockwise (if the front is on the left) and thus transfers weight to the back wheels. Slamming the brakes or lifting off, rotates it counter clockwise and thus shifts weight forwards.
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BTW that AE86 isn't standard/stock. It has a Janspeed exhaust system and LEDA Coilover Suspension. Also has LSD as standard in the UK spec. The journos ought to have done more research!
To be fair, finding one with stock suspension is hard due to the age. I'm looking to get coilovers just because the strut casing is terminally rusting. In the US my GTS does come with a rather weak clutch type LSD.
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Pretty good comparison but in reality the stock AE86 can get side ways quite well if using the balance of the car to your advantage. It won't hold a long drift like in D1 GP but still a blast around twisty roads and can manage good angle too.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:35 PM   #12
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He seemed awfully calm while flogging the car around the track.
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