Production of MR2 stopped in 2007; new car will be a coupé instead of roadster

[Cole]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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I 100% side with manufacturers saying "too bad, so sad" to enthusiasts. They're the loud minority when they want something, such as a lightweight, RWD coupe, but then cry about nearly everything when it gets put into production, but is "slow".

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Coaster

I hope they use an updated wrx engine in the gen2.

I actually don't want that engine in the car otherwise the hoodline would need to be raised. It's high enough as it is with the current car.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to armchair enthusiasts on the Internet.

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There I fixed it for ya!

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Cole

I 100% side with manufacturers saying "too bad, so sad" to enthusiasts. They're the loud minority when they want something, such as a lightweight, RWD coupe, but then cry about nearly everything when it gets put into production, but is "slow".

Yup those same people that said the S2000 didn't have enough torque who probably never have driven one or doesn't really know how to drive stick.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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Except it was enthusiasts and a thread on Club4ag that served as part of the launching pad for the twins. It was a group that understood the type of car Tada wanted to make I think so that helped. Plus Moto.

[synchromesh]

I wish not to talk about weekly politics, but with the EPA reconsidering strict fuel efficiency standards for future cars and light trucks, this could thrust the way for a gaping hole in the lineup of what American enthusiasts want.




S660? I've seen what looked like endure-dirt bikes loaded onto a pickup truck where I could smell the fumes a 100 feet away. I guess some people know what they really want.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Except it was enthusiasts and a thread on Club4ag that served as part of the launching pad for the twins. It was a group that understood the type of car Tada wanted to make I think so that helped. Plus Moto.

Yes - but that kinda proves the point: the enthusiasts (ie. Club4AG folk) who will put their money where their mouths are, simply exist in too small a quantity.
The broader casual enthusiast world (think Jalopnik readers) talk good game about buying a light weight, focused (read: spartan or uncompromising) sports car, but when push comes to shove, look for excuses to back out.

Hence why Nissan bailed on the iDX, Kia the Stinger coupe (the original yellow one), and Chevy the 130R.

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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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But boy did they make hundreds of thousands of us happy.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

But boy did they make hundreds of thousands of us happy.

And not just the enthusiasts! There are many, many, many, "normal" drivers out there that love their little coupe. As a forum we tend to focus on the "enthusiasts" but for every one of us there are a couple of hundred John or Jane Public that have no idea what the HP, COG, FC, TQ, of the car is and really don't care as long as it starts everyday and looks pretty.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

But boy did they make hundreds of thousands of us happy.

I think over time a lot of people who heavily criticized this car will slowly realize just how much thought and effort Toyota and Subaru put into this platform. If the 86 didn't exist I would probably be driving a 20 year old car right now.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I think over time a lot of people who heavily criticized this car will slowly realize just how much thought and effort Toyota and Subaru put into this platform. If the 86 didn't exist I would probably be driving a 20 year old car right now.

100% agree with you. Hell go back to original reviews of the 240sx, I'm pretty sure more than one said "This is a great sports car let down by a truck engine"

This time we didn't get a truck engine.



There are still tens of thousands of these things to be built, maybe even another 100,000+ will roll off the assembly line, as they get sold again to second, third, and fourth+ owners many more will get the chance to enjoy something cool.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

There are still tens of thousands of these things to be built, maybe even another 100,000+ will roll off the assembly line, as they get sold again to second, third, and fourth+ owners many more will get the chance to enjoy something cool.

That is a great point too. Having an "exclusive" car with limited production numbers is overrated if you plan on driving it daily. I love that there will be plenty of OEM interior/exterior parts available on the used market for years to come. I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on a replacement bumper if mine gets ruined.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Cole

This is the car the internet cried and begged for. Everyone who was actually going to buy one, bought one already. Those who didn't, for whatever reason (the power, the interior, the final design, whatever) were never going to buy it anyways.

The car that the internet cried and begged for? Toyota didn't follow through on their own promises. The car they gave us is heavier and more expensive than what was promised.

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Anyway fast forward and engine options are out because subaru won't allow it (eats into wrx sales) and shoving anything else in there will change the car too much. I suspect the MR2, alongside other cars is a way of toyota saying what else can we do since the life of the 86 is limited. THe advantage of MR2 is that there is no need for engine development (it will more or less run FF configurations in reverse) and all it requires is some chassis development which Toyota already has a predecessor anyhow - this is a viable option to explore given the 86 life is limited.

Your first comment is just conjecture with nothing factual to back it up. And the second one makes no sense because yes, Subuar actually could just drop in their WRX engine, i.e. no engine development required.

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

Not really, see above how Toyota gave us a heavier and more expensive car than originally promised.

Originally Posted by Cole

I 100% side with manufacturers saying "too bad, so sad" to enthusiasts. They're the loud minority when they want something, such as a lightweight, RWD coupe, but then cry about nearly everything when it gets put into production, but is "slow".

Again, the car was delivered heavier and more expensive than promised. They should have made a developmental change at some point to account for this with more power.

Originally Posted by krayzie

I actually don't want that engine in the car otherwise the hoodline would need to be raised. It's high enough as it is with the current car.

Uhh, all you have to do is relocate the intercooler and the engine is no taller than the FA20.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I think over time a lot of people who heavily criticized this car will slowly realize just how much thought and effort Toyota and Subaru put into this platform. If the 86 didn't exist I would probably be driving a 20 year old car right now.

Time and effort huh? Toyota and Subaru, right now, are more profitable than at any other time in their history. And they couldn't be bothered to provide 1-2 powertrain options? (that didn't even need to be bespoke) Doesn't sound like a lot of thought and effort to me, all things considered.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The car that the internet cried and begged for? Toyota didn't follow through on their own promises. The car they gave us is heavier and more expensive than what was promised.



Your first comment is just conjecture with nothing factual to back it up. And the second one makes no sense because yes, Subuar actually could just drop in their WRX engine, i.e. no engine development required.



Not really, see above how Toyota gave us a heavier and more expensive car than originally promised.



Again, the car was delivered heavier and more expensive than promised. They should have made a developmental change at some point to account for this with more power.



Uhh, all you have to do is relocate the intercooler and the engine is no taller than the FA20.



Time and effort huh? Toyota and Subaru, right now, are more profitable than at any other time in their history. And they couldn't be bothered to provide 1-2 powertrain options? (that didn't even need to be bespoke) Doesn't sound like a lot of thought and effort to me, all things considered.

You're tearing people's arguments down because it's conjecture, yet provide no sources of your own? GG bro.