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Cool! And while I don't know what your wish for power might be, in that same price range, take a look at the new 2014 Corvette Stingray Z51. While the quality won't be up to Porsche standards, that is one VERY interesting car. Give it a look and see what you think. Just reckon that the DUES you pay to own the 'Vette is to have it in the shop more than maybe most other cars you might choose. Could be worth it, though. |
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No, "pinching it in" means (to me) to apply MORE STEERING LOCK, i.e. turn the wheel even more into the turn. That would effectively make the end of that turn a decreasing radius requiring more steering lock to make it around. On this turn at VIR, Turn 10, that can prove disastrous ... as our friend @WolfpackS2k would like to tell you. Indeed, I think everyone who sees his video and who subsequently drives there, will thank him for sharing. His experience drives home the point that Randy Pobst was clearly trying to make. Watch that again and look carefully at Randy's eyes and listen to the tone of his voice. He's quite serious about not making this kind of mistake at that corner at VIR. Now, in most instances, one can slightly pinch it in at corner exit, having failed to nail the line, and it is of no great consequence. It just tells us that we've turned in too early. Sometimes, though, if, as often happens, a driver has not only turned in too early, but he ALSO charged in especially fast ... then when he tries to pinch it in when running wide at corner exit (to avoid running onto the grass), he may find himself spinning right in front of the pack. Oi! It happens all the time. They pinch it in, and induce a slide that puts them sideways on to the onrushing traffic! Have I mentioned what a "squirt-worthy moment" is? Quote:
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Spinning sideways and parking it in the middle of the track will probably upset you as you watch everyone else bearing down upon you, scattering wildly to avoid T-boning you. (And if you survive, it's back to the pits for a fresh pair of Depends. ) Quote:
I've mentioned the human propensity to turn in early. I should also point out that this propensity increases exponentially as your entry speed goes up! LOL! You'll see, my friend. It's all part of the learning process. The trick is to SURVIVE that learning process! Quote:
If you find, as many do, that you just cannot seem to judge that reliably, then that's a sign that you may be approaching your own personal limits. It's not easy, despite the fact that the best make it look easy. It is not. God most certainly did NOT create all men equal. (White men can't jump. They even made an excellent movie about it. ) And if there is a solid WALL out at track's edge? Well, my friend, you should have thought more about THAT before you commited your car at this speed, eh? Motor racing is dangerous, and actions have consequences. This may be the day you die. As the speeds pick up, a car, once committed to a given line ... is going to go where it's going to go, willy nilly, whether you like it or not. That's how people get killed in motorsports. Quote:
But, yes, I'm saying that making the mistake that Wolf made can prove quite troublesome ... as he would like to tell you. (We need to help him not do that in his new Cayman S.) Quote:
The trick to learning to drive fast and well ... is to avoid being killed during the learning process. If it were easy, we'd all be Jackie Stewart or whomever you fancy. Countless wannabes are injured and even killed in their quest to become pro racing drivers. Far fewer today than in decades past, but still, ya' gotta be careful out there because even on today's sanitized and safe tracks, you can still get hurt. Quote:
Motor racing is dangerous. You saw what happened to Wolf, right? It all depends on how close to the limit you are. You can pretty much make every mistake in the book at 30 mph without fear. We can all learn to get through the really slow bits every bit as well as Ayrton Senna. As the speeds pick up, and the limits grow higher, it becomes increasingly difficult to extract the maximum from the car ... and still bring it back to the pits in one piece. That's why some people are paid 25 million dollars and up to drive race cars. They are capable of doing it all at levels far above what we can manage. It's like any other sport -- the best are just better. Jim Clark was God's gift to motorsport. Consider attending a quality racing school. Despite the expense, it can help a budding racer to avoid developing bad habits. And it's always possible that you will never be comfortable traveling fast enough that some of these things become serious issues. There's no shame in that. Driving has absolutely nothing to do with your manhood, bravery, and other such nonsense. It's skill, just like any other, say, Olympian's skill. To be really good, requires that you have picked the best parents, you know? Jim Clark was just that much better than the others, as was Stirling Moss, Fangio, and so on. My point is that this should be fun, and to keep it that way, I encourage everyone to learn their OWN limits as well as the car's. Keep it fun and keep it on the road. Just because driving is an activity common to most everyone, does not mean that everyone can drive equally well. You're not pitching in the World Series or quarterbacking a team in the Super Bowl. And that's not just for lack of desire. We must each learn to respect our own limits. And remember that in baseball you just walk too many batters and/or get hit out of the park. And you're benched. In motorsports you may end up being "benched" in a coffin. Have fun out there, but be mindful of the risks. |
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Thanks, that was a good explanation. Now that I understand what you meant by "pinching in" (more steering lock, not a partial unwind of the wheel on track out), that makes sense. And I agree on it being dangerous to outdrive one's talent/experience. At the end of the day, there's no Ferrari contract waiting for most of us, but if we crash in the quest to shave laptimes, it'll be a very expensive and potentially fatal experience. Sobering truth about hobby vs. profession.
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Not sure if someone asked this yet, but did you do the sequence to disable the electronic brake force distribution prior to your run? It's ridiculous how many nannies come with sports cars these days.
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I had traction & stability control disabled during this session, but no I did not perform the pedal dance to 100% shut everything down.
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Checking my understanding: The electronic brake force distribution system only operates when you apply the brakes, right? Does it only reduce brake force or can it also add brake force? How does it determine what is needed?
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Wheelspeed sensors. It can adjust pressure through the ABS pump to each channel.
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This sounds like more than just wheelspeed inputs. Which leads me to another question, since it's part of the ABS system, does it only work when ABS is active? |
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It's not that I don't like you guys, but I will probably be moving on and not getting another Twin
I still don't have the money from the insurance company but that process is fully in motion. Gonna patiently search for a Cayman S in my price range with the options I want (Sport Chrono, PASM, Xenon headlights).
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Why do you want Sport Chrono (the wart) and PASM if you don't mind me asking? Porsche wouldn't let me option PASM on my Cayman R because it was inferior to the suspension the car came with. I think Sport Chrono is only really useful with a PDK because it adds another mode.
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The Cayman R's suspension was different than the Cayman S's suspension (fairly certain of that). A PASM equipped Cayman S's suspension is stiffer and 1/2 inch lower to the ground (compared to a normal Cayman S). Additionally in normal mode the suspension is softer than a non-PASM equipped Cayman. PASM also helps with anti-dive under braking and a wide variety of other parameters (see this for additional info: http://www.caymanregister.org/faq.php?faq=options ) And Sport Chrono does indeed have a "sport" setting, but it is useful on all models, not just PDK equipped ones. (further info about that is also available at the above link).
I suppose at the right price neither of the above are deal breakers, but I would think about it.
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I would spend the money saved by not having those options to upgrade the suspension and buy a stopwatch.
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Maybe if I was buying new
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