Innovate Stg1 Supercharger with W/M injection

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

I do have two tunes. Been running on the meth tune mostly so I can stress/longevity/reliability test it. I've gone through maybe 3 gal in a month but keep in mind I've been playing around with boost.

It obviously lasts a long time when you are just commuting etc.

What's your opinion on running washer fluid? The pump you listed seems to really plug using washer fluid, but I've read that it can cause deposits that clog the nozzles.

[sw20kosh]

I can't say as they don't sell washer fluid with methanol in my state. I buy 5 gal drums of meth and mix it half and half with water. You can also use yellow bottles of Heet if you are in a pinch for some meth. 10 Heet bottles is about 1 gal of 99% meth.

[swift996]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

I can't say as they don't sell washer fluid with methanol in my state. I buy 5 gal drums of meth and mix it half and half with water. You can also use yellow bottles of Heet if you are in a pinch for some meth. 10 Heet bottles is about 1 gal of 99% meth.

Just curious if you mix with distilled water or is out of the hose fine? Also any issues storing in a garage?

[DriftZen]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

The new meth tune delivered 40 more horses. Yum. Im officially a meth addict lol

Are you saying your new meth tune gave you +40whp, more than the dyno on page 1? Same dyno and pulley size?

If so that's sounding very sexy

[sw20kosh]

40 more than the base 91 tune i have, on a maha dyno. Tuner has the dyno sheets. Ill post it when he sends it to me. Maha dyno is confusing to read and it calculates corrected engine power from wheel power. Apparently OEM's use it to tune their engines? It was a very nice setup they got there at Mann Engineering. The whole dyno was enclosed in this sealed room. It looked like a lab.

The operator said it isn't good for getting big numbers like with a dynojet but rather it is great for tuning especially at different loads etc. He said it reads even lower than HG motorsport's dynodynamics which I used for generating the dyno's on the first page.

Will hit up a dynojet soon.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by swift996

Just curious if you mix with distilled water or is out of the hose fine? Also any issues storing in a garage?

Never ever tap water. You don't want those minerals in the system. Over time they will build up and clog stuff. Distilled only.

[mines13]

He could be anywhere from 250 to 260 whp on a dynojet based on the information provided, maybe a bit more but I would err toward the conservative side as I always do.

[DriftZen]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

40 more than the base 91 tune i have, on a maha dyno. Tuner has the dyno sheets. Ill post it when he sends it to me. Maha dyno is confusing to read and it calculates corrected engine power from wheel power. Apparently OEM's use it to tune their engines? It was a very nice setup they got there at Mann Engineering. The whole dyno was enclosed in this sealed room. It looked like a lab.

The operator said it isn't good for getting big numbers like with a dynojet but rather it is great for tuning especially at different loads etc. He said it reads even lower than HG motorsport's dynodynamics which I used for generating the dyno's on the first page.

Will hit up a dynojet soon.

Personally I would really like if you could just do both 91 & W/M tunes on 1 dyno (with the new tune). Wasn't all that impressed by page 1 but if your saying is true that would put that at 20+ the current tune which seems like an awesome improvement!

Can't wait to see people tune this with smaller pulleys on 91/93. Anybody selling 10psi or higher pulleys yet?

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by DriftZen

Personally I would really like if you could just do both 91 & W/M tunes on 1 dyno (with the new tune).

huh? The recent 91 and meth tunes were done on the same dyno, a maha dyno. This dyno showed a 40 hp difference.

I think you'll be interested in seeing the dynojet runs as you can compare them to other dyno's from other FI providers seeing as the dynojet seems to be the gold standard.

[ft_sjo]

OEM's don't use chassis dynos to tune their engines.

Maha is a good brand though, but is open to calibration abuse and inaccuracies like any other.

Ignore the absolute numbers and just use the relative percentage of increase to determine improvements.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Supercharger:

Innovate Stg. 1 Twin Screw "Complete" Kit (non-intercooled) - Carb Exemption Pending

Water/Meth Inj. Kit:

1.) Trunk mounted alcoholinjectionsystems.com stage 1 kit w/ 3gal tank
2.) AEM water/meth flow failsafe gauge and flow sensor
3.) Snow Performance supercharger bypass valve boost solenoid (to open the bypass when there is faulty flow)
4.) Eaton bypass actuator with two vacuum ports (you need this to make the snow performance boost solenoid work)

Other mods:

1.) Robispec Total Cooling Solution (integrated oil cooler and bigger radiator)
2.) Custom cat-back exhaust
3.) Deatschwerks High Flow Drop-In fuel pump

Trunk Mount W/M system
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...duct_info.html
AEM failsafe
http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...e-1-4-sae-1184
Bypass actuator
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170895994487

So, the more I look into W/M, the more I think I'm going to go this exact route.

But I have a couple questions:

What size nozzle did you use?

When drilling the "elbow", did you remove it from the SC? Are there any gaskets or issues I should know about if I do this?

Was the upgraded fuel pump needed? Or just for future E85 use?

Anything I should know if I follow your path?

Thanks.

[sw20kosh]

As expected from the base tune several runs of 210-213 whp.

• Base tune

• 91 octane

• 100 deg ambient (my app was showing 110 IAT at the airbox)

• Stock exhaust except for cat back

• 17x9 rims & 245 RS3's

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

So, the more I look into W/M, the more I think I'm going to go this exact route.

But I have a couple questions:

What size nozzle did you use?

When drilling the "elbow", did you remove it from the SC? Are there any gaskets or issues I should know about if I do this?

Was the upgraded fuel pump needed? Or just for future E85 use?

Anything I should know if I follow your path?

Thanks.

Rodney at AIS will size the nozzle to your application. He gives you two nozzles to try just in case you want to get more adventurous and try out a bigger nozzle. He gave me a 5gph (340cc) and a 7gph (480cc) nozzle. I am running the 5 gph currently.

Robispec just put a rag inside the elbow and drilled I believe. He was carefull!

Fuel pump was part of a Robispec Package that is a work in progress. It is not necessary for the basetune at all.

As for advice:

If you get your W/M kit from AIS, tell Rodney to ship it with a filter already installed. He has a pre-pump filter that I really want/need.

Make sure you have the failsafe system working perfect. This is important.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Rodney at AIS will size the nozzle to your application. He gives you two nozzles to try just in case you want to get more adventurous and try out a bigger nozzle. He gave me a 5gph (340cc) and a 7gph (480cc) nozzle. I am running the 5 gph currently.

Robispec just put a rag inside the elbow and drilled I believe. He was carefull!

Fuel pump was part of a Robispec Package that is a work in progress. It is not necessary for the basetune at all.

As for advice:

If you get your W/M kit from AIS, tell Rodney to ship it with a filter already installed. He has a pre-pump filter that I really want/need.

Make sure you have the failsafe system working perfect. This is important.

Ok, so no fuel pump needed for pump gas and WMI? That's good to know.

If I do go with WMI, I was planning to run around with the base tune and let the AEM map out the flow. But I'm curious about the source of your issues now..