Innovate Stg1 Supercharger with W/M injection

[swift996]

Originally Posted by Pete

Really? The first blower I got put down 225whp, the second makes 252whp. I don't remember any before that...I could be wrong, feel free to link to a sub 200whp Vortech chart.

I do agree that the innovate kit will get better over time though, we haven't even seen the intercooled kit yet.

Originally Posted by pheoxs

That was on the first blower, the innovate kit has been 'testing' for a year now, I doubt its going to get much more power on this setup. Hopefully the intercooled version will net a decent bumper in power

I was wrong, I was thinking of the 220 number.

Also there isn't any confirmation on the boost yet, but I think it's sub 7psi. So adding boost, injectors/pump might yield more power. I drove a vortech kit and it was quicker than my car, but it just didn't feel quick enough for me to want to spend the ~$5K.

[kioton32]

I have to ask, what's the benefit of doing W/M on this kit

[swift996]

Originally Posted by kioton32

I have to ask, what's the benefit of doing W/M on this kit

It cools the charge and also in effect increases octane/deters knock so you can run more timing. It seems to add about 20whp by doing so. The interesting thing to me is that you can probably also run more boost with W/M. It's a little pricey but I don't have E85 and I want more power.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by kioton32

I have to ask, what's the benefit of doing W/M on this kit

It also cools down the screws increasing their efficiency while also creating a better seal between them.

[swift996]

So not an exact science but I converted this to U.S. DynoJet numbers
- ALL STOCK (Air Filter/Header)
- 91 Octane

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by mad_sb

Very nice man, Supper happy to see it pulls out to the limiter!... With all the torque talk I was worried it would puke and die up top, at least on this pulley with the added knock suppression of WMI it does not.

Was this on the low boost pulley?

Yes it is the low boost pulley supplied in the stg1 kit. 6-7 psi.

I don't doubt at all that the vortech sc can produce higher peak #'s. That being said people comparing these numbers to vortech are not realizing that we have 2-3 psi to close the gap. Who knows? Maybe we'll get close.

Going to turn up the boost in the future. We'll see what this meth will let me do.

If you look at the fact that this thing is not running out of breath up top...one can imagine that 2-3 more psi could provide decent gains. Crossing my fingers!

Will try to get to a dynojet to confirm numbers. As it stands with the base 7 psi pulley this should be somewhere in the 235-245 whp area on dynojet.

:happy0180:

[robispec]

Clean set-up.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by jamesm

again, this kit will not lose power anywhere in the rev band. the dyno operator clearly was not at wot until 3.5k or so in the dyno. it's not reasonable to believe that bolting on a positive displacement supercharger will lose power down low, unless the tuning is very, very bad.

No dyno operator hits the collect button before they are full throttle on a power run.

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by King Tut

No dyno operator hits the collect button before they are full throttle on a power run.

And no positive displacement supercharger in history has ever resulted in less torque than stock anywhere on a map before now.

Which is more likely?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Sellout

And no positive displacement supercharger in history has ever resulted in less torque than stock anywhere on a map before now.

Which is more likely?

Considering the large delay and tuning issues with the kit, I would say that the parasitic loss and intake manifold design very well could result in less torque below 3000 RPM. Has nobody asked for a boost plot yet? Now that the curtain has been pulled away, can we see some real data on this kit. @robispec @sw20kosh can we see some boost plots?

[swift996]

Originally Posted by Sellout

And no positive displacement supercharger in history has ever resulted in less torque than stock anywhere on a map before now.

Which is more likely?

The interesting thing is both dynos read the same, so it's likely that is the case. However, additional tuning might get rid of the lost power. All in all, I don't think it's that much of a game changer.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Sellout

And no positive displacement supercharger in history has ever resulted in less torque than stock anywhere on a map before now.

Which is more likely?

No he's correct. It can happen, apparently. I have no idea how, but the chart posted clearly isn't what I was talking about. I was looking at the graph in the other thread where it does look as if the operator hit the button early. The graph above does not look that way.

I have no idea how it's possible unless the supercharger is somehow a restriction until it is spinning fast enough. Very weird...

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by jamesm

No he's correct. It can happen, apparently. I have no idea how, but the chart posted clearly isn't what I was talking about. I was looking at the graph in the other thread where it does look as if the operator hit the button early. The graph above does not look that way.

I have no idea how it's possible unless the supercharger is somehow a restriction until it is spinning fast enough. Very weird...

I didn't think about intake manifold tuning before I posted. It could very well be possible that the intake manifold runners are set up in a way that kills low rpm torque. You'd think that boost would make up for that though. Odd.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Considering the large delay and tuning issues with the kit, I would say that the parasitic loss and intake manifold design very well could result in less torque below 3000 RPM. Has nobody asked for a boost plot yet? Now that the curtain has been pulled away, can we see some real data on this kit. @robispec @sw20kosh can we see some boost plots?

I'll make sure to hook up boost source to the dyno when I go for a dynojet read.

It is making boost down there, my water/meth comes on at 2000 rpm WOT 5th or 6th gear which means it is at least making 4.5 psi.