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Old 02-16-2012, 04:06 PM   #71
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In regards to the journalists can't drive - yes, there's a few that can't. But any that are driving pre-production, high-profile releases like these two cars *can* drive. Both the manufacturers and the magazines will make sure of it. The actual issue is that, because they are fairly professional about it, they will be driving it in all sort of ways that the average reader won't. Driving at the limit means different things for different people.

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What I meant was that understeer at the limit can be driven around. For example all Porsche's are set up to understeer at the limit, but as long as you know how to drive you would never encounter it. My suspicion is that the BRZ is in fact neutral, while the FRS is set up to be tail happy. I'm sure there is not enough of a difference between the two to make a difference in lap times, but I think you drove them both at 10/10ths around a track, the BRZ would get faster lap times because you could put the power down sooner without the tail stepping out. So, when the auto journos say "it understeers at the limit" it doesn't necessarily mean it handles like a Ford Taurus. I guess what it comes down to is the BRZ may understeer at the limit, but it's limit will be slightly higher than the FRS which is set up to kick out the tail easily.
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0-60 time 6 seconds? if that estimation is true, not bad.
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What I meant was that understeer at the limit can be driven around. For example all Porsche's are set up to understeer at the limit, but as long as you know how to drive you would never encounter it. My suspicion is that the BRZ is in fact neutral, while the FRS is set up to be tail happy. I'm sure there is not enough of a difference between the two to make a difference in lap times, but I think you drove them both at 10/10ths around a track, the BRZ would get faster lap times because you could put the power down sooner without the tail stepping out. So, when the auto journos say "it understeers at the limit" it doesn't necessarily mean it handles like a Ford Taurus. I guess what it comes down to is the BRZ may understeer at the limit, but it's limit will be slightly higher than the FRS which is set up to kick out the tail easily.
They will both understeer at the limit, in steady state. The BRZ will just understeer more-so. The understeer can be driven around in both, but more easily in the FR-S. All the videos you see of the FR-S drifting are VERY intentional. No one in this day in age is selling cars who's natrual tendancy is to oversteer. As for which is faster, I believe that the FR-S will have more front end grip, which we've established as the limiting factor in outright, steady state grip, due to the slightly softer front end settings, relative to the rear. As long as this is true and the handling change is due to added front grip, rather than reduced rear grip, then the FR-S should lap a circuit at exactly .001% faster

Rear-engined Porsches are their own animal. They need to be driven completely differently in order to keep out of the realm of excessive understeer. However, they are set up relatively "safely", with a good helping of understeer in the more pedestrian models, because they are harder to control in an oversteer condition. And before you ask, I've driven a lot of Porsches, from street to full race prep, on the track, so I'm not talking out of my ass.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:22 PM   #74
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0-60 time 6 seconds? if that estimation is true, not bad.
Hmm doubt it will be that fast... also doubt the gas milage will be that bad
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Hell of a first post, Chase!!! :happy0180:
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They said it as going to be mid to upper 20's from day one. Why are people shocked by this?

Buy a used one in a few years or get a tC if the price is too steep... why do teenagers need a new sports car anyway?

Even if they get this car (or a parent provides one for the spoiled brats), they'll bemoan having to spring for premium fuel
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FRSpdDmn your always talking out of your ass.
FRSpdDmn, why are you always showing your ass to Piston1047? I think he created the account just to tell us that.
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Hmm doubt it will be that fast... also doubt the gas milage will be that bad
My buddy has a stock '09 Civic Si that he's managed a 6.2 quarter mile in, so I don't see somewhere near 6 seconds as completely unreasonable for the FR-S
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Unless you're talking snow, what I said is correct.
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My buddy has a stock '09 Civic Si that he's managed a 6.2 quarter mile in, so I don't see somewhere near 6 seconds as completely unreasonable for the FR-S
Do you mean 0-60? Because a 6.2 sec 1/4 mile is pretty damn impressive!
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Unless you're talking snow, what I said is correct.
Nope. Homemade's fix of your statement got it right - lower tire pressures (within reason) = better grip, so lowering front or raising rear pressures will "transfer" the relative proportion of grip away from the back to the front end which will give less understeer. Try it in a good sim like iRacing or rFactor.
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Nope. Homemade's fix of your statement got it right - lower tire pressures (within reason) = better grip, so lowering front or raising rear pressures will "transfer" the relative proportion of grip away from the back to the front end which will give less understeer. Try it in a good sim like iRacing or rFactor.
Yep. Evos generally run a few psi higher in the rear to help rotate.
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