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08-21-2018, 09:37 AM
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Like I said they are not real popular but still a viable option for somebody that is at low risk of being stranded in the outback. In my case I am rarely more then a few miles from one large(ish) urban centre or another so it could be all I need. I have the spacer saver but would like to do away with it so I can put more important stuff in the hole.
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08-21-2018, 11:21 AM
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I live (and 95% of driving happens) in city, but i still explicitly bought fitting space saver from subaru breaker yard by choice. Space saver had got me through pinch in past couple of time, i know what i get and to what extent i can rely on it. It also allows in many puncture type of damages simple & cheap repair of tire, which will be of same wear as rest. Repair kit? After which i've heard that tire repair shops don't want to deal with tire it's used upon, thus very probably i'll need to buy two new tires? And that kit due compressor is not THAT much lighter then spacesaver tire. And both this kit & space saver tire allows usage of all trunk space. And i use spacesaver inside as extra storage bin (eg. for mounting in it fire extinguisher, putting in it first aid kit, towing rope, jumpstart wires). No extra space if repair kit inside stock center foam piece.
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08-21-2018, 11:46 AM
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08-21-2018, 12:24 PM
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IIRC tire repair kits are the most common kits these days. Lighter then other options, with exception of maybe runflats for bmw-s (but as it's common "performance mod" for bmw-s to change those heavy uncompliant and expensive runflats with "normal" tires ..), probably good for one of common ways to save weight in light of modern cars becoming overall heavier. Not just lotus. Many cars of many brands.
But any of common emergency tire options is compromise of sorts. Fullsize spare - heaviest and robs (already small-ish) trunk space, gunk will work in only some tire damage cases and will require purchase of new tire but is the lightest for something rarely needed but carried along all the time, space saver .. my choice for reasons in my previous post. Simply compromise that seemed best for me. If i'd wish anything enhanced to it - even lighter spacesaver, alloy one, not stamped steel, but seems that no such of 5x100 pcd exists. |
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The benifits of a full sized spare outweighs the extra weight of a full sized spare.
Plus, when used for any type of motorsport event everything that doesn't make the car go or stop is left in the pits. As for the "repair kit", so far I have ruined 2 tyres from side wall damage, once with a rock and once with a tree branch, the "repair kit" is useless in those situations. And Ack on the resulting issues from using a "repair kit", once used the tyre is finished. |
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Looks like an 04 sti spare is in the future for me!
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I'm getting two different part numbers. 28151FJ031 for the regular vehicles, and 28151FE030 for the PP vehicles. When I check the lists of vehicles that each fits, they are a different list. I'm almost positive that the latter is indeed the PP-specific wheel, which I know for a fact is larger, and designed to fit over the Brembo brakes. I know this because the spare tire that came on my 2015 does not even come close to fitting over my AP Racing BBK, but I test-fitted a spare tire from a PP BRZ, and it fit with 1-2mm to spare. In fact, that spare tire is actually TALLER than the stock tires. This is the list of vehicles for the 28151FJ031 part number (the non PP one.) Subaru BRZ (20D) 6AT Limited 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Subaru BRZ (20D) 6AT Premium 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Subaru BRZ (20D) 6MT Limited 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Subaru BRZ (20D) 6MT Premium 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L 5MT Base 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L 5MT Limited 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L 5MT Premium 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L CVT Base 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L CVT Limited 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L CVT Limited w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L CVT Premium 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L CVT Premium w/Eyesight 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L HYBRID CVT Limited 2017 Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L HYBRID CVT Premium 2017 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Limited Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Limited Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Premium Plus Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Premium Plus Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Premium Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Premium Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Sport Limited Wagon 2012, 2013 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Sport Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L 5MT 4WD Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Limited Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Limited Sedan w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Limited Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Limited Wagon w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Plus Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Plus Sedan w/Eyesight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Plus Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Plus Wagon w/Eyesight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Sedan w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Premium Wagon w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Sedan 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Sport Limited Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Sport Limited Wagon w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Sport Premium Wagon w/EyeSight 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Sport Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 Subaru Impreza 2.0L CVT 4WD Wagon 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 This is the list of vehicles for the 28151FE030 part number (the one I'm fairly certain is for PP vehicles.) Subaru BRZ (20D) 6MT Limited 2017, 2018 Subaru BRZ (20D) 6MT STI 2017, 2018 Subaru Impreza 2.5L TURBO 6MT 4WD STI Sedan 2004 Subaru Legacy 2.5L 4AT 4WD Limited 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L 4AT 4WD Limited Wagon 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L 4AT 4WD Sedan 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L 5MT 4WD Limited Wagon 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L 5MT 4WD Sedan 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5AT 4WD GT Limited Sedan 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5AT 4WD GT Limited Wagon 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5AT 4WD GT Wagon 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5MT 4WD GT Limited Sedan 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5MT 4WD GT Limited Wagon 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 5MT 4WD GT Wagon 2005, 2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5L TURBO 6MT 4WD GT Limited Sedan 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L 4AT Base 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L 4AT Limited 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L 5MT Base 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L 5MT Limited 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L TURBO 5AT XT 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L TURBO 5AT XT Limited 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L TURBO 5MT XT 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 2.5L TURBO 5MT XT Limited 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 3.0L 5AT L.L.Bean 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 3.0L 5AT Limited 2005, 2006 Subaru Outback 3.0L 5AT R 2005, 2006 Subaru STI 2.5L TURBO 6MT 4WD SEDAN 2004 Subaru WRX 2.5L TURBO 5MT 4WD SEDAN 2007 Subaru WRX 2.5L TURBO AT 4WD SEDAN 2007 Note the latter is generally vehicles with larger brakes. I've even found different part numbers for the foam insert that goes into the spare tire. The standard one is 95086CA040, whereas the one for PP vehicles appears to be 95086CA070. What I can't seem to find, is the part number for the foam insert that goes UNDER the PP spare tire. It's really pissing me off because I need to order that part too to complete the conversion. EDIT: Found it. 97046CA000. $47 for a piece of foam, lol.
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Annoying that the foam inserts are so expensive. But the standard ones should be okay since the insert part is smaller? Am I missing something?
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The PP spare is wider and deeper, obviously, to fit the larger brakes. So the standard foam piece would be loose, and also fall more deeply into it. While that foam piece serves as a handy little storage area, its primary purpose is to support the trunk floor above the spare tire. If it doesn't sit properly, then the floor above won't sit properly, and may sag. I also assume it's wider, which would allow for more storage space, which would be nice, since the PP spare itself is wider, and therefore you lose space around the outside of the wheel that can normally be used to store some stuff. The PP spare's steelie wheel is deeper, and I suspect that means it contacts the floor before the rubber tire section seats properly. So I assume the purpose of the foam insert that goes UNDER it (which my car doesn't have at all) is to provide a proper surface that raises it up a bit so that it seats properly. I'll do a full analysis of this super-critical mod once I get the parts, lol. Hopefully later this week.
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Alrighty folks (and @Racecomp Engineering), here is some more detailed info for this silly, but necessary (for me) "mod."
Part Numbers PP Spare Wheel: 28151FE030 PP Spare Tire: 28121VA050 PP Spare Foam Insert: 95086CA070 PP Spare Foam Spacer: 97046CA000 When I originally looked up the spare tire, the part diagram showed the wheel and tire, so I had assumed that the entire thing was what I was ordering for $95. Turned out that was just the wheel. The tire cost another $135. Funny enough, it would have cost $290 at Discount Tire for the only brand space-saver tire they had in the same size. Dunno what kind of magic pixie dust that one was made of... That brought the total cost in OEM parts for this upgrade to $314.23 (not including tax.) Quite an expensive mod for, essentially, a spare tire. I like "OEM Quality" stuff, so... what's done is done... but I definitely learned to scrutinize the parts diagram better next time, lol. Either way, it's nice having an OEM-style setup that fits in the spare tire well properly, and supports the trunk floor perfectly. Anyway, what are the differences? First off, here's the difference in size of the central foam insert. It is significantly taller. Some of that height is achieved by thicker "fins" on the underside, but the actual width and depth of the "storage" section is greater. I have a tow strap, and some jumper cables that barely fit coiled around in there before, and now they easily fit with room to spare. So you will gain some storage space there.  Second, there is a foam spacer that you need to install at the bottom of the trunk. This is because the PP wheel is much deeper, and the wheel face now protrudes beyond the face of the tire. So without this foam spacer, the wheel face itself will hit the floor of the trunk before the tire seats into the tub. It's a very expensive piece of foam, lol.  Lastly is the wheel/tire combo itself. The regular spare tire is a T135/80D16 size. The PP spare tire is a T145/70D17 size. It is noticeably taller. In fact, I think it's slightly taller than the 255/35R18 Michelin Pilot Super Sports currently on my car. As a result, you LOSE some space around the outside of the wheel, which is where I have a few items tucked away. It is also probably slightly heavier, but my hanging scale wasn't working so I couldn't compare them.  Anyway, this is probably more information than you ever thought someone would post about spare tires, but the upshot is that nearly two years after I did my BBK upgrade, I finally have a spare tire in the trunk that actually fits over those brakes now (in my case, it's the AP Racing Factory BBK). Money well spent for the peace of mind. I was starting to get paranoid as I'd gone two years without a flat tire... which makes me overdue given my luck.
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Stang70Fastback: why not use for inside foam piece aygo's cone & use inside of spare wheel for item storage? At least that's what i do with also R17 spare from subbie breaker yard.
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), since very beginning. Older AUDM twins one could get with full size spare (IIRC australian DM was only one with such option due country specific (long distances till closest living place or from closest roadside assistance). Or was it stock configuration?). USDM & Canada had spacesavers, no?
