09-14-2021, 10:36 AM | #953 | |
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09-14-2021, 11:15 AM | #955 |
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But, in the end, I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
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because antivaxx people are nuts as an aside, its hard to overstate the extent of the damage done by Andrew Wakefield since he pulled his stunt with MMR vaccine in the late 90s. world class piece of shit. |
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html and when you factor in what is the odds of getting covid and then the odds of having complication if you get covid? in 1.5yrs USA has about 41m cases or 12.5% of USA population. If 100% of people get the vaccine that would be 8x the "Exposer" to the vaccine vs covid virus, so the risk would need to be 8x lower to be a wash. obviously this has a million variables and isn't the best direct comparison and timelines being a factor etc... but if you are 100% guaranteed to get something with a .1% chance of complication, or a 10% chance of getting something with a 1% chance of complication the odds of having complications are the same. but if you are already exposed to one of those why add in the other exposer unnecessarily? but the points of those sources and excerpts from previous post was that natural immunity is most likely as good if not better than vaccinated immunity, so if you have already gotten covid (41m cases USA) then why get vaccinated if you are as well protected if not better protected than anyone else who has acquired immunity from vaccination? or how about do an antibody test and if you are at a certain level of antibodies you do not need the vaccine? |
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keep going with the bad faith arguments, very compelling
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Nope. Maybe it would be acceptable if they paid for their own tests, the tests of anybody else in the office who started feeling unwell after contact with them and for the medical treatment of anyone in the office who contracts the disease. Oh, and I almost forgot, it seems to me that given what we know about the virus, it is grossly negligent to willfully go out in public unvaccinated - so treble civil damages for any expenses and inconvenience their victims incur. Naahhhh. Get vaccinated or go straight to Devil's Island.
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I did say "near zero" which pretty much is what the CDC site says.
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I had Chicken Pox as a child so never received the vaccine for it. There is a small chance (just like with COVID-19) that you can have a secondary Chicken Pox infection with or without the vaccine, but it is relatively rare. COVID does seem to have a much more likely secondary infection (I personally know two persons that had COVID twice, and one that had a mild case even though vaccinated).
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Yep, I did get that vaccine.
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Like the article says, getting a vaccine would be that much better for their immunity than just relying on immunity from exposure.
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You did say near zero, and it is near zero percent, but that is why I included exposure rate. since one would be drastically higher if it was 100% vaccination rate. and if you included serious short term effects from vaccine it seems that is a much higher rate especially after 2nd shot. I know several people that got covid after vaccination. In fact probably an equal number of people who got it after vaccination vs who weren't vaccination. and the outcome short and long term has been relatively the same for both groups, but that's just anecdotal obviously. A common reoccurring sentiment I have heard over and over (again anecdotal) is after the 2nd shot that is the sickest I have ever been in my entire life. or last time I was this sick was back in 2002 when I had a serious case of the flu that knocked me out for over a week. The number of people I know that had serious short term Covid complications isn't even close to the number who had serious short term complications from the vaccine. PS: I have encouraged anyone who wants to get the vaccine to get it, or anyone who is high risk group to look into getting it. by no means an anti vaxxer (which of whom rarely exists) anyone who is anti mandate is just labeled an anti vaxxer even if they support peoples rights to get the vaccine and support getting any vaccine in general. but if you have any alternative view that isn't the main stream view you are told to have in regards to covid/vaccine you are now a crazy conspiracist anti vaxxer. |
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