Exhaust too load

[NRXRaptor]

Originally Posted by Detroiter

Muffler, resonator, they are the same thing. Both alter sound via resonating it. Does a single small bottle style resonator reduce volume a ton? No, but it will reduce the volume some. A dual resonated front pipe is the best bet for reducing rasp and volume while retaining the track pipe.

Literally google muffler vs resonator. Resonators kill undesirable tone while mufflers muffle, ie lower decibels. Resonators don't lower volume. If they are the same then why are they constructed in different manners to do different things?

[Detroiter]

Originally Posted by Shoebox

I was debating a dual resonated FP. I have no problem spending a few bucks on one. Was just curious if it would actually make a difference so I asked before spending said few bucks lol. Now have you heard anything about the "track pipes" with a muffler? Doesn't ft86speedfactoty make one? Curious if I did both those things how it would sound.

I have heard of a couple actually, here's one that nameless makes https://shop.namelessperformance.com...-pipe-brz-frs/

Not sure how much it will cut down on sound though. Probably a little more than a bottle resonator will do. Maybe combined with a resonated front pipe it might cut it down decently.

[Detroiter]

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor

Literally google muffler vs resonator. Resonators kill undesirable tone while mufflers muffle, ie lower decibels. Resonators don't lower volume. If they are the same then why are they constructed in different manners to do different things?

dude they are the same thing. There is different style of resonators that focus on different things. IE a huge non straight through muffler will cut down sound a lot more than a small straight through one. Doesn't change the fact that they are essentially doing the same thing. You can tune them to focus on different frequencies but they are reducing volume no matter what. Do you think when a "resonator" removes the undesirable tones it leaves the sound level untouched? No it will be measurably quieter. Doesn't mean it will make a huge difference but I guarantee a dual resonated front pipe will be quieter than a straight pipe one.

[JazzleSAURUS]

Stock, or JDL Ultra quiet front pipe. That should help a ton.

[guybo]

NRXRaptor has it right. Resonators are not mufflers. Totally different animals. Mufflers reduce sound. Resonators change sound. A glasspack is often called a muffler, but it is a fiberglass packed resonator. Mufflers have several different designs, but a resonator is always straight through.

[Detroiter]

Originally Posted by guybo

NRXRaptor has it right. Resonators are not mufflers. Totally different animals. Mufflers reduce sound. Resonators change sound. A glasspack is often called a muffler, but it is a fiberglass packed resonator. Mufflers have several different designs, but a resonator is always straight through.

I get what you both are saying, and the general market around aftermarket car parts has adopted that a resonator is a bottle style straight through design and a muffler is not. But I think the sound science behind it is that they are both just different versions of the same thing. A resonator does just that it resonates the sound waves to cancel them out. Both do exactly that. The only difference is the style. For example my Greddy Revolution RS catback has a resonator on the midpipe and a muffler on the end. Both are 100% straight through with perforations allowing for resonance in the chamber to alter the sound. The muffler is wider in diameter but they are essentially the same thing.

Of course there is the more complex mufflers with various different chambers that resonate the exhaust more and in different ways to reduce it further but its just a more complex version of the same thing. Whether any car part website will list them in the same category or not I doubt it as most people use the two terms to categorize them but I still stand by that they both belong to a larger family of sound altering products called resonators.

[NRXRaptor]

Originally Posted by Detroiter

I get what you both are saying, and the general market around aftermarket car parts has adopted that a resonator is a bottle style straight through design and a muffler is not. But I think the sound science behind it is that they are both just different versions of the same thing. A resonator does just that it resonates the sound waves to cancel them out. Both do exactly that. The only difference is the style. For example my Greddy Revolution RS catback has a resonator on the midpipe and a muffler on the end. Both are 100% straight through with perforations allowing for resonance in the chamber to alter the sound. The muffler is wider in diameter but they are essentially the same thing.

Of course there is the more complex mufflers with various different chambers that resonate the exhaust more and in different ways to reduce it further but its just a more complex version of the same thing. Whether any car part website will list them in the same category or not I doubt it as most people use the two terms to categorize them but I still stand by that they both belong to a larger family of sound altering products called resonators.

Bruh, if they were the same then they wouldn't be different. What you're doing is false equivalency. Just because mufflers and resonators fiddle with sound waves doesn't make them the same thing. That's like saying a prius and a porsche 918 are the same thing: they both use hybrid power trains, yet they are obviously not the same thing at all. The end goal is completely different: one is an econobox with good gas mileage and the other is a hypercar. Mufflers lower total sound volume, resonators reduce/eliminate particular sounds. They are not the same

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by Shoebox

Catless ftw! Lol. I want to make my extra 2hp

I don't care about the extra 2hp. I considered my loud exhaust a safety feature! lol

[Lunatic]

I live in a RV Resort so noise was a big concern for me. I have a top speed EL catless header, HKS dual resonater front pipe, and Invidia Q 300 exhaust. Nice and quiet, no complaints from the neighbors, but still sounds great wham you put your foot into it.

[Xxyion]

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor

Bruh, if they were the same then they wouldn't be different. What you're doing is false equivalency. Just because mufflers and resonators fiddle with sound waves doesn't make them the same thing. That's like saying a prius and a porsche 918 are the same thing: they both use hybrid power trains, yet they are obviously not the same thing at all. The end goal is completely different: one is an econobox with good gas mileage and the other is a hypercar. Mufflers lower total sound volume, resonators reduce/eliminate particular sounds. They are not the same

Just to counter-argument...

Disk brakes and drum brakes. They achieve the exact same purpose but the application is what is different.

I think that is all Detroiter was trying to say. A muffler and a resonator achieve the same purpose, they alter the sound waves coming from the exhaust system. How they do it, is just different.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor

From what I've read resonators don't make things quieter they just get rid of undesirable tone. That's what mufflers are for

The problem starts with the manufacturer... sometimes it's poor choice of words or even poor design.

OE systems do have mufflers + resonators (or just mufflers w/ large resonators that are more of a "mid-muffler" design than a resonator). Usually those exist because there is some specific frequency of exhaust note that is magnified elsewhere in the cabin, so they just add on a certain size box to tune out the annoying frequency.

Originally Posted by Shoebox

I was debating a dual resonated FP. I have no problem spending a few bucks on one. Was just curious if it would actually make a difference so I asked before spending said few bucks lol. Now have you heard anything about the "track pipes" with a muffler? Doesn't ft86speedfactoty make one? Curious if I did both those things how it would sound.

Just heed the advice of others and put your stock front pipe back on. That will solve 99% of your sound problems.

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor

Bruh, if they were the same then they wouldn't be different. What you're doing is false equivalency. Just because mufflers and resonators fiddle with sound waves doesn't make them the same thing. That's like saying a prius and a porsche 918 are the same thing: they both use hybrid power trains, yet they are obviously not the same thing at all. The end goal is completely different: one is an econobox with good gas mileage and the other is a hypercar. Mufflers lower total sound volume, resonators reduce/eliminate particular sounds. They are not the same

Part of this is assuming all resonators (i.e. glasspack muffler-looking things) are the same.

If the resonator is not designed to tune out a specific frequency, then for all intents and purposes it is a straight-thru muffler w/ packing material and a perforated chamber.

Because most aftermarket exhaust components are designed to replace one portion at a time, there's no effective published frequency cancellation and the resonators all function as small mufflers.

Originally Posted by Xxyion

I think that is all Detroiter was trying to say. A muffler and a resonator achieve the same purpose, they alter the sound waves coming from the exhaust system. How they do it, is just different.

See above. Without a specific frequency being cancelled, all "resonators" function as mufflers.

-alex