2017 Driven first impressions

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by WWFT86

Also FYI the hill start assist is not on by default

How do you turn that one on?


@funwheeldrive @Bristecom I drive a lot of cars for my work and 85%-90% of the time they are manual. I can honestly say that the Twin's clutch is different from say a S2000 or a Miata(all types) but it is one of the easier clutch to get used to and drive.

Now clutches that are annoying and have weird positions and are well he's how I feel so far

the Z cars especially a 370 wtf is it so high
Mercedes AMG cars, press it and hope the v8 power that comes after doesn't kill you
BMW.... Good on some M cars kinda rubbery and annoying on Z cars
mustangs.... Feels like the clutch on the G35 and Genesis
Accord V6 ....for a Honda this is terrible
Corolla XRS you're basically driving a truck in terms of clutch feel
Lotus Evora believe it or not this also feels like a truck wait the transmission is from a Toyota truck.
Camero...nothing nothing nothing OMG something....
Corvette C7 feels like a heavier s2000
Porsche 911 feels very heavy and strong takes a bit of effort to push down and relapse at the right position
Porsche Cayman/Boxster heavier than a Miata but similar in engagement points
Lotus Elise press and quick release there's not a lot of travel
WRX hmmm it's like a longer FRS clutch but heavier a-little
Jaguar F Type v6s you're not gonna care about how the clutch feels it sounds too orgasmic.

I can keep going on....I'm sure there are some others I've driven over the years

Point is compared too all the above, the twin clutch is one of the more easier to get used to fast. Wouldn't say a beginner car, I think and NB Miata are good for that role.

I learned manual when I was 15 in a Toyota hilux lol off road

Anyways all good points.

[funwheeldrive]

I don't think the 86 is difficult to drive, but for a car that emphasizes driver feedback, the clutch feel is almost nonexistent.

I still prefer it over most German cars though like BMW and Porsche.

[Oxyg3n]

Originally Posted by Zaku

How do you turn that one on?


@funwheeldrive @Bristecom I drive a lot of cars for my work and 85%-90% of the time they are manual. I can honestly say that the Twin's clutch is different from say a S2000 or a Miata(all types) but it is one of the easier clutch to get used to and drive.

Now clutches that are annoying and have weird positions and are well he's how I feel so far

the Z cars especially a 370 wtf is it so high
Mercedes AMG cars, press it and hope the v8 power that comes after doesn't kill you
BMW.... Good on some M cars kinda rubbery and annoying on Z cars
mustangs.... Feels like the clutch on the G35 and Genesis
Accord V6 ....for a Honda this is terrible
Corolla XRS you're basically driving a truck in terms of clutch feel
Lotus Evora believe it or not this also feels like a truck wait the transmission is from a Toyota truck.
Camero...nothing nothing nothing OMG something....
Corvette C7 feels like a heavier s2000
Porsche 911 feels very heavy and strong takes a bit of effort to push down and relapse at the right position
Porsche Cayman/Boxster heavier than a Miata but similar in engagement points
Lotus Elise press and quick release there's not a lot of travel
WRX hmmm it's like a longer FRS clutch but heavier a-little
Jaguar F Type v6s you're not gonna care about how the clutch feels it sounds too orgasmic.

I can keep going on....I'm sure there are some others I've driven over the years

Point is compared too all the above, the twin clutch is one of the more easier to get used to fast. Wouldn't say a beginner car, I think and NB Miata are good for that role.

I learned manual when I was 15 in a Toyota hilux lol off road

Anyways all good points.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

I find that the biting point is really high up (towards driver direction) and is really small so its hard to get 1st and 2md without jerking..

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

It will get larger overtime.... Or I just got really used to it. Lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[carbonBLUE]

Went and test drove a 2017 brz today
my impressions

1 i liked the interior materials better
2 suspension was softer which was nice, but left me a little disconnected with the car.(still phenomenal don't get me wrong) i prefer the harshness of my FR-S.
3 car felt quicker having the smaller final drive
4 loved the steering wheel
5 brake feel felt better
6 clutch engagement feels improved as well over the first generation (to me it felt like engagement wasn't as high but it is still higher than when i prefer.)

to me i feel as if there are tons of small improvements that aren't in the press releases

as far as near limit differences (driving hard) i didn't get to test this as i kept the rpms below 4000. I dont want to go outside what the user manual suggest on a car i wasn't planning buying that day. I'm planning on buying a yellow series next year when it becomes available.

I did get to take some 90 degree corners with some speed, turn in is definitely better.

I feel like the radio was good and the back up camera as well, also, i like how there is a button on the rear trunk now.

[funwheeldrive]

^^^there is a rear trunk button on all older 86s with keyless start iirc.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

^^^there is a rear trunk button on all older 86s with keyless start iirc.

Well I imagine there are a lot of people with first gen 86 without keyless that didn't know this lol

[himbo]

Hey OP, you should check these videos out, they'll help you understand what's going on mechanically, rather than just being told what works and what doesn't. Congrats on the new ride - I haven't decided yet if the '17 is worth getting or not over my '13.

Things to avoid doing in a manual:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbZlhduYJY"]5 Things You Should Never Do In A Manual Transmission Vehicle - YouTube[/ame]

Rev-Matching:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnXLZg_O1rk"]What Is Rev Matching? - YouTube[/ame]

Heel-Toeing (a.k.a. Sweet Sweet Mechanical Nectar of the Gods)
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeoLRWCNGcA"]What Is Heel & Toe? (Downshifting) - YouTube[/ame]

Lugging your engine explained:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJea7xEt-8"]Why You Should Never Lug Your Engine (Especially Turbos) - YouTube[/ame]

Good Luck and spread the Gospel of the Manual!

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

We'll see how you feel when you actually own one.

BTW, are you buying an MY17 or waiting?

Yeah, I'm gonna get a PP as soon as they are available.

Originally Posted by Zaku

How do you turn that one on?


@funwheeldrive @Bristecom I drive a lot of cars for my work and 85%-90% of the time they are manual. I can honestly say that the Twin's clutch is different from say a S2000 or a Miata(all types) but it is one of the easier clutch to get used to and drive.

Now clutches that are annoying and have weird positions and are well he's how I feel so far

the Z cars especially a 370 wtf is it so high
Mercedes AMG cars, press it and hope the v8 power that comes after doesn't kill you
BMW.... Good on some M cars kinda rubbery and annoying on Z cars
mustangs.... Feels like the clutch on the G35 and Genesis
Accord V6 ....for a Honda this is terrible
Corolla XRS you're basically driving a truck in terms of clutch feel
Lotus Evora believe it or not this also feels like a truck wait the transmission is from a Toyota truck.
Camero...nothing nothing nothing OMG something....
Corvette C7 feels like a heavier s2000
Porsche 911 feels very heavy and strong takes a bit of effort to push down and relapse at the right position
Porsche Cayman/Boxster heavier than a Miata but similar in engagement points
Lotus Elise press and quick release there's not a lot of travel
WRX hmmm it's like a longer FRS clutch but heavier a-little
Jaguar F Type v6s you're not gonna care about how the clutch feels it sounds too orgasmic.

I can keep going on....I'm sure there are some others I've driven over the years

Point is compared too all the above, the twin clutch is one of the more easier to get used to fast. Wouldn't say a beginner car, I think and NB Miata are good for that role.

I learned manual when I was 15 in a Toyota hilux lol off road

Anyways all good points.

I have driven some of those cars and agree!

[varora]

I test drove a manual 2017 brz today. I had a fairly spirited drive. The engine felt reasonably strong, the torque dip was not very apparent, its been a while since I drove a fr-s, but I liked the way the revised motor revs. The suspension felt great. I think the interior changes look really good besides the glossy section around the radio, it just doesn't match well, that's the only bad thing I have to say.

They said I could order the performance pack now,they are going to email an ETA on delivery.

[Elleteeh]

Hey everyone, I just left the dealership with my car. Here's some quick shots with all the accessories installed.




Gorgeous car. Lovin' it!

[Oxyg3n]

Hey guys, I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll just post it here. I experienced my first traffic in my brz today and to my surprise it was hard to drive in 2nd gear. When slowing down (without throttle or brakes, but just in gear) the car will chug back and forth anywhere under ~13-14mph in 2nd gear. I thought 2nd gear should be able to tolerate that well since everyone says they don't go into 1st until they get under 5mph. Or am I wrong? And it seems like anywhere under 20mph is just too slow to go into 3rd gear. How do you guys do it? This is based on a 2017 brz btw.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

Hey guys, I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll just post it here. I experienced my first traffic in my brz today and to my surprise it was hard to drive in 2nd gear. When slowing down (without throttle or brakes, but just in gear) the car will chug back and forth anywhere under ~13-14mph in 2nd gear. I thought 2nd gear should be able to tolerate that well since everyone says they don't go into 1st until they get under 5mph. Or am I wrong? And it seems like anywhere under 20mph is just too slow to go into 3rd gear. How do you guys do it? This is based on a 2017 brz btw.

In my s2000 I get stuck in traffic all the time, I do got from 1st to 2nd all the time, if the car any car doesn't have enough revs it will lag it's pretty normal. You can also do a couple of second pause and give yourself distance between the car in front of you and you, if you're tail gating you're not gonna have enough space to give it alittle rev. So keep that in mind as well, also if the car is grid lock, you should t have any problems being in 1st if you have enough space and time to get to 10 mph or 15 then go to second otherwise not more than 3 k 1 gear cruise I'm grid traffic is fine. Lastly throttle control you have to balance op your feet in traffic this is why people can't stand manual In traffic most people hate the constant foot work. Don't be afraid to cruise slowly I'm neutral too, this is illegal in some states, but that little bit slow movement can help you out.

Keep at it, it will smoothen out. Doesn't matter what manual car your driving this is the basics!


@Oxyg3n @Elleteeh @Jakinit hey guys small favor for me if you don't mind. Can you measure the little fin area on the side fin between the two blade just a Lenght and height, thanks I'm advanced

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

Hey guys, I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll just post it here. I experienced my first traffic in my brz today and to my surprise it was hard to drive in 2nd gear. When slowing down (without throttle or brakes, but just in gear) the car will chug back and forth anywhere under ~13-14mph in 2nd gear. I thought 2nd gear should be able to tolerate that well since everyone says they don't go into 1st until they get under 5mph. Or am I wrong? And it seems like anywhere under 20mph is just too slow to go into 3rd gear. How do you guys do it? This is based on a 2017 brz btw.

Yeah, at low revs like that you have to finesse the clutch a bit to keep it smooth. You shouldn't really downshift to 1st though because it will rock back and forth even more. You'll eventually get the hang of what you should do based on your speed.